SkymonkeyONE 4 #26 August 31, 2005 My velo opens a bit quicker with my removeable slider and I have never had a problem with "seeking" on any of the three Velocities I have owned (75,79, and now 84). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #27 August 31, 2005 really? i had alot of seeking on my 84, then i put the removable slider joe made on it, and it opens slower and no seeking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Widgeon 0 #28 August 31, 2005 What is the biggest noticeble difference you see trimming with rears using longer risers? I would imagine the effect would take more time to develope being that the recovery arc is now longer.(????) I mean you would have to start getting on rears higher to get the same plane out, right?? Wouldn't looser leg straps do the same thing as maybe an inch or two longer risers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #29 August 31, 2005 your getting WAY to far technical with this mike. do you know what the power band feels like? do you know what happens if you go to far into it? not far enough? and to far to the extreme of catostophic? if you dont know what im talking about then dont worry about that question. a longer recovery arc for me, i would get in the rears at about the same time as before, maybe a tad earlier, depending on my setup. but it is all constant adjustments and trimming, there is no "set" time for anything. you find what works and try to recreate it. that is the hard part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Widgeon 0 #30 August 31, 2005 Quotedo you know what the power band feels like? -yes do you know what happens if you go to far into it? -no not far enough? -weak swoop? and to far to the extreme of catostophic? -I guess you'd be testing the limits of your lineset and other components of your canopy and rig. but it is all constant adjustments and trimming, there is no "set" time for anything. -Every swoop is different. Wind speed, direction, etc. Makes sense. you find what works and try to recreate it. that is the hard part. -No shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites raymod2 1 #31 August 31, 2005 QuoteWouldn't looser leg straps do the same thing as maybe an inch or two longer risers? Widgeon makes a good point here. If you want to make it harder to reach your dive loops then loosening the leg straps should achieve the same effect. The same can be said for the magical "pendulum effect" that has somehow evaded physics books for centuries. But one thing longer risers will give you that loosening leg straps won't is a flatter canopy. The same could be achieved, however, with less drag by using longer lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #32 December 13, 2005 Quote The same can be said for the magical "pendulum effect" that has somehow evaded physics books for centuries. go to nasa's website and read up on "cruise velocity". it may not make much sense at first why i directed you that way, so if you still dont understand after reading that them p.m. me. or come to the camp at the farm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites raymod2 1 #33 December 13, 2005 Quotego to nasa's website I don't know what you are getting at but just for fun I did a google search on "pendulum effect" and nasa. I did find an article describing why pendulums slow down during a solar eclipse. It appears that the shadow of the moon causes rapid cooling of a large volume of air above the clouds. This causes surrounding air to move in and creates a gravitational pull that partially cancels the earth's gravitational pull. How this affects canopy flight has yet to be determined but I'm sure it will be a hot topic the next time we hold a swoop meet during a solar eclipse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #34 December 13, 2005 QuoteI don't know what you are getting at but just for fun I did a google search on "pendulum effect" and nasa. read my post again. i said look up "cruise velocity!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brits17 0 #35 December 13, 2005 Ok guys... this discussion poses a situation I want to address and receive advice from. VX60, 2.1 wingloading. Risers are all of 19" and can't reach much above that. I want to be competitive in distance etc, and I know technique is key, but what about that extra mile we're all talking about? What about those longer risers and larger canopy at the same or higher wingloading? Is there hope for the wee ones...? _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #36 December 13, 2005 compeditive in distance at a pro level? honestly, probably not. but then again, i say that about myself also. im small in that area. but in the cpc, ya i think so. i still stand behind wanting to see you on a larger wing though. but your not going to be able to go too much bigger. i,ve got some rigging ideas that may help. but nothing put together yet. see you in january. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #37 December 13, 2005 QuoteI want to be competitive in distance etc Not under a 60! I know you are a very light chick but if you want to be competitive distance-wise you will have to upsize considerably and wear 50LBS of lead! On the other hand you might kick some asses speed-wise. If you guys are concerned about the added drag of longer risers you can always sew them together lengthwise...and wear spandexMemento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #38 December 13, 2005 I would never, ever recommend to Brit that she wear HALF HER BODY WEIGHT in lead just to compete. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #39 December 13, 2005 I think lightweight people will always be at a disadvantage with current rules, however we had the petite French girl Cathy Bouette compete and she didn't do half bad! Pity she touched water the first distance round. She jumps a small Xaos, can't find the exact size now though. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1813757;search_string=results%20swoop%20bussloo;#1813757 ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites frost 1 #40 December 13, 2005 How about a set of longer lines? I have a VX-111 with an 6 or 8 inch longer line set on regular 20" mirage risers. Let me tell you, the canopy flies very differently as compared to a VX with a stock length line set. So if you dont want to get longer risers - get longer linesSoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying. Because nobody knows your skills better than you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brits17 0 #41 December 13, 2005 lol, yeah that would be an interesting scenario. I'd have to have someone help me up off the ground every time I land. Feasibly, I could probably upsize to a 65 and put on 11 lbs to be at the same wl, and 18 to be at 2.2. Longer lines is an option I'm sure... Thanks for the input folks, I appreciate the assistance in brainstorming... Just trying to see what multiple opinions out there. _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ccowden 0 #42 December 13, 2005 Eat ALOT of Twinkies! I figure if you add a box of them a day to your diet, you should be able to up your wingloading on a size larger canopy without wearing weights. Of course, you may have a heartattack and die by the time you are 35, but it may be worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Canuck 0 #43 December 13, 2005 QuoteSo if you dont want to get longer risers - get longer lines There is more to it than just creating distance from canopy to pilot. Not that you're going to get a great run out of it, but having the extra length in the risers can give you that little bit of extra control range to make the gates on a run you're coming in high on in your roll-out. At least this is how it has been explained to me by people jumping long lines/line riser combos. I still just have my normal lines and 21 inch risers. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #44 December 13, 2005 QuoteEat ALOT of Twinkies! I figure if you add a box of them a day to your diet, you should be able to up your wingloading on a size larger canopy without wearing weights. Of course, you may have a heartattack and die by the time you are 35, but it may be worth it. and dont forget the 2-3 cases of guiness bottles a week!!! Cheers Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #45 December 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteEat ALOT of Twinkies! I figure if you add a box of them a day to your diet, you should be able to up your wingloading on a size larger canopy without wearing weights. Of course, you may have a heartattack and die by the time you are 35, but it may be worth it. and dont forget the 2-3 cases of guiness bottles a week!!! Cheers Dave You guys are just wrong!! I think Brit should upsize to at least a 90 and not put on any weight (belt or otherwise). For i think that is the only way i could beat her in the CPC this year. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brits17 0 #46 December 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteEat ALOT of Twinkies! I figure if you add a box of them a day to your diet, you should be able to up your wingloading on a size larger canopy without wearing weights. Of course, you may have a heartattack and die by the time you are 35, but it may be worth it. and dont forget the 2-3 cases of guiness bottles a week!!! Thanks guys, I think those are the best suggestions yet! Twinkies and beer, yeah! If I don't live long at least I'll die happy _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #47 December 13, 2005 QuoteFeasibly, I could probably upsize to a 65 It sounds like a joke! Hey I'm upsizing...to a 65 I would love to say that just to fuck with some skygods!Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dharma1976 0 #48 December 13, 2005 Quote Thanks guys, I think those are the best suggestions yet! Twinkies and beer, yeah! If I don't live long at least I'll die happy Hey man beer is health food... as long as it is good beer...notice I didnt say go out and drink three cases of MGD... Seriously I heard it said somewhere to use the longest risers that you can reach the dive loops with... personally I jsut flew a set of 18s on my Crossfire2 and although I liked the amount of harness I could give, I did not like the Recovery arc... moved back to 21s and had to relearn the turns...I think I am going to see what I can do on the riser length beyond that... cheers Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sabre1Lucke 0 #49 December 16, 2005 In replay to SkymonkeyOne: I have owned (75,79, and now 84). Are you becoming heavier; eating to much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #50 December 16, 2005 QuoteIn replay to SkymonkeyOne: I have owned (75,79, and now 84). Are you becoming heavier; eating to much No. When I first switched back to PD mains I felt that a 75 would be my everyday main and a 79 would have been great for distance and wingsuit jumping. I thought that because my last four mains had been in sizes 74 and 75. I liked the 75, but found myself jumping the 79 FAR more often because I could get longer swoops out of it and it was a bit more manageable in traffic. Ultimately I traded the 75 for a Sabre2 97 for wingsuiting and I traded my 79 for an 84 because I got even longer swoops. I gave up some speed with the upsizes, but that's OK. I load my 84 at 2.11 right now and it feels "just right". Edited to add that I used to jump very-short 18 inch risers on all my rigs. I have since gone up to 22's on my Velo and love them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
raymod2 1 #31 August 31, 2005 QuoteWouldn't looser leg straps do the same thing as maybe an inch or two longer risers? Widgeon makes a good point here. If you want to make it harder to reach your dive loops then loosening the leg straps should achieve the same effect. The same can be said for the magical "pendulum effect" that has somehow evaded physics books for centuries. But one thing longer risers will give you that loosening leg straps won't is a flatter canopy. The same could be achieved, however, with less drag by using longer lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #32 December 13, 2005 Quote The same can be said for the magical "pendulum effect" that has somehow evaded physics books for centuries. go to nasa's website and read up on "cruise velocity". it may not make much sense at first why i directed you that way, so if you still dont understand after reading that them p.m. me. or come to the camp at the farm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raymod2 1 #33 December 13, 2005 Quotego to nasa's website I don't know what you are getting at but just for fun I did a google search on "pendulum effect" and nasa. I did find an article describing why pendulums slow down during a solar eclipse. It appears that the shadow of the moon causes rapid cooling of a large volume of air above the clouds. This causes surrounding air to move in and creates a gravitational pull that partially cancels the earth's gravitational pull. How this affects canopy flight has yet to be determined but I'm sure it will be a hot topic the next time we hold a swoop meet during a solar eclipse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #34 December 13, 2005 QuoteI don't know what you are getting at but just for fun I did a google search on "pendulum effect" and nasa. read my post again. i said look up "cruise velocity!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #35 December 13, 2005 Ok guys... this discussion poses a situation I want to address and receive advice from. VX60, 2.1 wingloading. Risers are all of 19" and can't reach much above that. I want to be competitive in distance etc, and I know technique is key, but what about that extra mile we're all talking about? What about those longer risers and larger canopy at the same or higher wingloading? Is there hope for the wee ones...? _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #36 December 13, 2005 compeditive in distance at a pro level? honestly, probably not. but then again, i say that about myself also. im small in that area. but in the cpc, ya i think so. i still stand behind wanting to see you on a larger wing though. but your not going to be able to go too much bigger. i,ve got some rigging ideas that may help. but nothing put together yet. see you in january. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #37 December 13, 2005 QuoteI want to be competitive in distance etc Not under a 60! I know you are a very light chick but if you want to be competitive distance-wise you will have to upsize considerably and wear 50LBS of lead! On the other hand you might kick some asses speed-wise. If you guys are concerned about the added drag of longer risers you can always sew them together lengthwise...and wear spandexMemento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #38 December 13, 2005 I would never, ever recommend to Brit that she wear HALF HER BODY WEIGHT in lead just to compete. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #39 December 13, 2005 I think lightweight people will always be at a disadvantage with current rules, however we had the petite French girl Cathy Bouette compete and she didn't do half bad! Pity she touched water the first distance round. She jumps a small Xaos, can't find the exact size now though. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1813757;search_string=results%20swoop%20bussloo;#1813757 ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #40 December 13, 2005 How about a set of longer lines? I have a VX-111 with an 6 or 8 inch longer line set on regular 20" mirage risers. Let me tell you, the canopy flies very differently as compared to a VX with a stock length line set. So if you dont want to get longer risers - get longer linesSoFPiDaRF - School of Fast Progress in Downsizing and Radical Flying. Because nobody knows your skills better than you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #41 December 13, 2005 lol, yeah that would be an interesting scenario. I'd have to have someone help me up off the ground every time I land. Feasibly, I could probably upsize to a 65 and put on 11 lbs to be at the same wl, and 18 to be at 2.2. Longer lines is an option I'm sure... Thanks for the input folks, I appreciate the assistance in brainstorming... Just trying to see what multiple opinions out there. _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccowden 0 #42 December 13, 2005 Eat ALOT of Twinkies! I figure if you add a box of them a day to your diet, you should be able to up your wingloading on a size larger canopy without wearing weights. Of course, you may have a heartattack and die by the time you are 35, but it may be worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #43 December 13, 2005 QuoteSo if you dont want to get longer risers - get longer lines There is more to it than just creating distance from canopy to pilot. Not that you're going to get a great run out of it, but having the extra length in the risers can give you that little bit of extra control range to make the gates on a run you're coming in high on in your roll-out. At least this is how it has been explained to me by people jumping long lines/line riser combos. I still just have my normal lines and 21 inch risers. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #44 December 13, 2005 QuoteEat ALOT of Twinkies! I figure if you add a box of them a day to your diet, you should be able to up your wingloading on a size larger canopy without wearing weights. Of course, you may have a heartattack and die by the time you are 35, but it may be worth it. and dont forget the 2-3 cases of guiness bottles a week!!! Cheers Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #45 December 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteEat ALOT of Twinkies! I figure if you add a box of them a day to your diet, you should be able to up your wingloading on a size larger canopy without wearing weights. Of course, you may have a heartattack and die by the time you are 35, but it may be worth it. and dont forget the 2-3 cases of guiness bottles a week!!! Cheers Dave You guys are just wrong!! I think Brit should upsize to at least a 90 and not put on any weight (belt or otherwise). For i think that is the only way i could beat her in the CPC this year. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #46 December 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteEat ALOT of Twinkies! I figure if you add a box of them a day to your diet, you should be able to up your wingloading on a size larger canopy without wearing weights. Of course, you may have a heartattack and die by the time you are 35, but it may be worth it. and dont forget the 2-3 cases of guiness bottles a week!!! Thanks guys, I think those are the best suggestions yet! Twinkies and beer, yeah! If I don't live long at least I'll die happy _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #47 December 13, 2005 QuoteFeasibly, I could probably upsize to a 65 It sounds like a joke! Hey I'm upsizing...to a 65 I would love to say that just to fuck with some skygods!Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #48 December 13, 2005 Quote Thanks guys, I think those are the best suggestions yet! Twinkies and beer, yeah! If I don't live long at least I'll die happy Hey man beer is health food... as long as it is good beer...notice I didnt say go out and drink three cases of MGD... Seriously I heard it said somewhere to use the longest risers that you can reach the dive loops with... personally I jsut flew a set of 18s on my Crossfire2 and although I liked the amount of harness I could give, I did not like the Recovery arc... moved back to 21s and had to relearn the turns...I think I am going to see what I can do on the riser length beyond that... cheers Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sabre1Lucke 0 #49 December 16, 2005 In replay to SkymonkeyOne: I have owned (75,79, and now 84). Are you becoming heavier; eating to much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #50 December 16, 2005 QuoteIn replay to SkymonkeyOne: I have owned (75,79, and now 84). Are you becoming heavier; eating to much No. When I first switched back to PD mains I felt that a 75 would be my everyday main and a 79 would have been great for distance and wingsuit jumping. I thought that because my last four mains had been in sizes 74 and 75. I liked the 75, but found myself jumping the 79 FAR more often because I could get longer swoops out of it and it was a bit more manageable in traffic. Ultimately I traded the 75 for a Sabre2 97 for wingsuiting and I traded my 79 for an 84 because I got even longer swoops. I gave up some speed with the upsizes, but that's OK. I load my 84 at 2.11 right now and it feels "just right". Edited to add that I used to jump very-short 18 inch risers on all my rigs. I have since gone up to 22's on my Velo and love them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
