mr2mk1g 10 #26 October 17, 2005 Sorry - you've said you're going from a 1:1 loading to a 1:4 loading on a 120. Unless that's incorrect you must be going from a 170 skipping both the 150 and 135 size brackets and going straight to a 120. Or loading up on lead of course... Or have we been talking getting our wires crossed somewhere? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #27 October 17, 2005 QuoteCheck this link for some differences between Vectran and Microline. http://www.performancedesigns.com/pmd_faq.asp#6 good info, thanks chris. QuoteVectran lines tend to stay “in trim” longer than Microline, but Microline is more abrasion-resistant than Vectran. Although a Vectran line set with 500 jumps will probably still have trim differentials that are within specifications, the Vectran lines may still need to be replaced due to wear and abrasion. A canopy with Microlines may be out of trim to some degree after 500 jumps, but the lines are likely to show considerably less wear isnt there more strict "trim" tolerances on high performance canopies? if so, i still dont see why you wouldnt use vectran on a katana. or are you? and hasnt the "other line" lol... caused some possible problems with "trim" lately? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tetra316 0 #28 October 17, 2005 QuoteSorry - you've said you're going from a 1:1 loading to a 1:4 loading on a 120. Unless that's incorrect you must be going from a 170 skipping both the 150 and 135 size brackets and going straight to a 120. Or loading up on lead of course... Or have we been talking getting our wires crossed somewhere? I think we have our wires crossed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #29 October 17, 2005 I see; no worries. The maths on your wingloadings just didn't make sense. Maybe note you might end up loading the Crossfire lower than it's minimum recommended WL if you're right about your current loading on the Sabre2. Personally I have no idea what effect that might have on their performance – I know more about maths than HP canopies - you'll have to get that advice from others on here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dploi 0 #30 October 17, 2005 I've never flown a Katana at a loading lower than 1.7:1 (I fly mine at 2:1), but all the reports I've heard has been that it still flies great. I flew the Crossfire 2 at 1.3+:1 (after loading other canopies much higher) for awhile and it was a good experience. Big swoops, lots of flare, decent speed. But it definitely wanted to me to load it more to have some real fun on it. I recommend weighing yourself with your gear on and accurately calculating your wingloading. 1.4:1 is the bottom end for this class of high performance elliptical canopies. They fly much better between 1.6:1 and 1.8:1 (Katana flies great on up to 2:1 and maybe beyond). However, if you do load them lower, the benefit will be that you'll get to learn the flight characteristics of a high performance canopy in a more controlled manner. Assuming you actually load a 120 at 1.4:1, I would recommend that your next step (after this one) be a smaller version of the same canopy before you get into that top performance tier. As I'm sure you've already realized, proper pace makes the better pilot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Widgeon 0 #31 October 17, 2005 Quote if so, i still dont see why you wouldnt use vectran on a katana. or are you? I saw a Katana two weeks ago in Deland lined with vectran. Could be wrong, but I thought I heard Rickster say it would be an optional lineset. Ask Kolla. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites daleskydive 0 #32 May 1, 2012 Just my 2c worth but why bother with an inferior canopy with a very poor flare and short recovery arc when you would get a s**t load more fun from a xfire at that WL 1.4 Thats what my first xfire was loaded at ,Well 1.5 and it was the best choice that I mede. They swoop heaps farther and when you downsize its with the same model canopy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
marks 0 #27 October 17, 2005 QuoteCheck this link for some differences between Vectran and Microline. http://www.performancedesigns.com/pmd_faq.asp#6 good info, thanks chris. QuoteVectran lines tend to stay “in trim” longer than Microline, but Microline is more abrasion-resistant than Vectran. Although a Vectran line set with 500 jumps will probably still have trim differentials that are within specifications, the Vectran lines may still need to be replaced due to wear and abrasion. A canopy with Microlines may be out of trim to some degree after 500 jumps, but the lines are likely to show considerably less wear isnt there more strict "trim" tolerances on high performance canopies? if so, i still dont see why you wouldnt use vectran on a katana. or are you? and hasnt the "other line" lol... caused some possible problems with "trim" lately? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tetra316 0 #28 October 17, 2005 QuoteSorry - you've said you're going from a 1:1 loading to a 1:4 loading on a 120. Unless that's incorrect you must be going from a 170 skipping both the 150 and 135 size brackets and going straight to a 120. Or loading up on lead of course... Or have we been talking getting our wires crossed somewhere? I think we have our wires crossed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #29 October 17, 2005 I see; no worries. The maths on your wingloadings just didn't make sense. Maybe note you might end up loading the Crossfire lower than it's minimum recommended WL if you're right about your current loading on the Sabre2. Personally I have no idea what effect that might have on their performance – I know more about maths than HP canopies - you'll have to get that advice from others on here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dploi 0 #30 October 17, 2005 I've never flown a Katana at a loading lower than 1.7:1 (I fly mine at 2:1), but all the reports I've heard has been that it still flies great. I flew the Crossfire 2 at 1.3+:1 (after loading other canopies much higher) for awhile and it was a good experience. Big swoops, lots of flare, decent speed. But it definitely wanted to me to load it more to have some real fun on it. I recommend weighing yourself with your gear on and accurately calculating your wingloading. 1.4:1 is the bottom end for this class of high performance elliptical canopies. They fly much better between 1.6:1 and 1.8:1 (Katana flies great on up to 2:1 and maybe beyond). However, if you do load them lower, the benefit will be that you'll get to learn the flight characteristics of a high performance canopy in a more controlled manner. Assuming you actually load a 120 at 1.4:1, I would recommend that your next step (after this one) be a smaller version of the same canopy before you get into that top performance tier. As I'm sure you've already realized, proper pace makes the better pilot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Widgeon 0 #31 October 17, 2005 Quote if so, i still dont see why you wouldnt use vectran on a katana. or are you? I saw a Katana two weeks ago in Deland lined with vectran. Could be wrong, but I thought I heard Rickster say it would be an optional lineset. Ask Kolla. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daleskydive 0 #32 May 1, 2012 Just my 2c worth but why bother with an inferior canopy with a very poor flare and short recovery arc when you would get a s**t load more fun from a xfire at that WL 1.4 Thats what my first xfire was loaded at ,Well 1.5 and it was the best choice that I mede. They swoop heaps farther and when you downsize its with the same model canopy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites