johnny1488 1 #26 March 1, 2006 Or do you mean "wasnt intentional"? Give me all your secrets!!! Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beverly 1 #27 March 1, 2006 Personally I think it is a great idea. I was beginning to feel that I was going to have to double my body to even be competitive in CP. It is not levelling the playing fields just yet for me, but it is a start. Guys need to realise that it is not all about bulk and brawn and some technique can get you a long way. me: exit weight 65 kg, I get to basically pack on 35kg of weight. SURE! I think true friendship is under-rated Twitter: @Dreamskygirlsa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #28 March 1, 2006 QuoteQuote"popping up" the popping up isn't intentional. it just happens.thats all the secrets your getting out of me.... lol.... shit, now im holding you back! I have the same problem..I pop up every morning..So what's your secret markhttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #29 March 1, 2006 QuoteSo what's your secret mark He sold his soul to Slaton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnyshrek 0 #30 March 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo what's your secret mark He sold his soul to Slaton. You know, thats probably why jim had an accident. Shimel always biffshttp://www.skydivethefarm.com do you realize that when you critisize people you dont know over the internet, you become part of a growing society of twats? ARE YOU ONE OF THEM? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #31 March 1, 2006 That's cold. Funny. But cold. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #32 March 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo what's your secret mark He sold his soul to Slaton. the one thing I will never do is sell out to anyone. I do not and will not say or preach that "in my opinion something is the best" unless I truly believe that. If I did sell my soul, I would like my payment. because im broke. and like I said about the pop up thing. there is no secret, thats why nobody will tell you it. It just happens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #33 March 1, 2006 QuoteAfter the Academy you should be thin. WTf you been doing? Eating donuts already Are you kidding? We had classes on donuts. It all started with "The science of sprinkles" and went from there. I really don't understand how the new rules are fair, especially with guys like you and me (and others) in the mix. For instance, I would load a 120 at 2.3:1 without extra weight.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #34 March 1, 2006 QuoteI really don't understand how the new rules are fair jsut start getting into more comps and you will see how much more it will level everything. Im about 180 exit weight. and I really think this is an advantage to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #35 March 1, 2006 QuoteFor instance, I would load a 120 at 2.3:1 without extra weight right, but you couldn't put on any more lead to bump that velo 120 up to "the sweet spot" of 2.5:1(or more) to do that you would have to downsize to a 111 or a 103 ( i am using velo's here, humor me) Now you have less wing over your head and more loading, which one do you want?? Personally, the weight restrictions don't affect me I don't wear weights nor do i plan to any time in the forseeable future. However, this cast on my right leg does add about 10lbs. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #36 March 1, 2006 The chart says I could wear 21 pounds, but none of you will ever see me with anything like that on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #37 March 1, 2006 I get to wear no weight. I'm 206.6 lbs naked. I think it's great that the playing field is coming to me. I never really liked wearing weight in the first place. Very rarely it pay's to be a fat kid. Suckas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #38 March 1, 2006 So have you thought about swooping naked to throw off your competition even more??? Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydivenagasaki 0 #39 March 1, 2006 Quote So have you thought about swooping naked to throw off your competition even more??? Oh come one now, I doubt Grant needs any encouraging and besides, nobody likes a naked fat kid... "and if you don't like it then 'Hey Fuck You'" --The Beastie Boys-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ntacfreefly 0 #40 March 1, 2006 Quoteand like I said about the pop up thing. there is no secret, thats why nobody will tell you it. It just happens. Seeing as it's the 2nd time you've said it I'm going to chime in and say, that's just flat out wrong. The pop up thing, for those in control, is quite intentional. Feel free to talk to Jay, Ian or any other accomplished swooper you don't have to take my word for it. There is a very valid reason for it. Some notes: 1) It only works if you have a lot of power otherwise the energy is better spent elsewhere. 2) The timing is critical, too late and you've lost a lot of energy, too early and it requires a lot to lift you up which is bad too. 3) The height that you fly up to is dependant on the wind direction relative to your path.To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brits17 0 #41 March 1, 2006 QuotePersonally I think it is a great idea. It is, I agree for the same reasons you mentioned. What some folks don't realize now is this is just the beginning of the 'leveling evolution.' Everyone is still competing in the same field regardless of body weight, but this will probably change as more swoopers become involved in the circuit. Oh yeah, vdschoor and marks, take me snowboarding with ya'll... I still have one good arm _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #42 March 1, 2006 QuoteThe pop up thing, for those in control, is quite intentional. Feel free to talk to Jay, Ian or any other accomplished swooper you don't have to take my word for it. the energy is created while still in the dive, not on plane out and not to "pop" up. if done right, you let go of the rears just before your even level. it is all energy, and it is not "poping up". you dont do it intentionally, It just happens when you create the energy and "dig" yourself out of the corner. "pendelum" it isn't wrong. you dont intentionally "pop up", it just happens when you do everything right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #43 March 1, 2006 QuoteQuotePersonally I think it is a great idea. It is, I agree for the same reasons you mentioned. What some folks don't realize now is this is just the beginning of the 'leveling evolution.' Everyone is still competing in the same field regardless of body weight, but this will probably change as more swoopers become involved in the circuit. Oh yeah, vdschoor and marks, take me snowboarding with ya'll... I still have one good arm lets go, how about in a couple weeks? meet ya in calli! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ntacfreefly 0 #44 March 1, 2006 QuoteIt just happens when you create the energy and "dig" yourself out of the corner. "pendelum" Hence intentional It's not a thing that happens automatically. It's because of a sequence of events that the pilot created INTENTIONALLY to cause them to pop up INTENTIONALLY. It doesn't 'just happen'. There's a very specific reason why it produces more distance. As for 'digging' out of the 'corner' I'd be a little more careful with the verbage. It's easy to give the illusion to upcoming jumpers that low = good. As usual, try and be careful what you say. Not everyone knows what you mean and someone reading this will undoubtedly come away thinking digging out of the corner is a good thing - which we both know it's not.To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MRSLLAMA 0 #45 March 1, 2006 "And Sonic is training this year and we should all be watching him. Although I think I got him beat!" calm down Johnny calm down !!!! care to put some money on that you smack talking flim flam !!!!! put your money where your key board is !!! since you'll be watching my boy walking up to the podium to accept his medal !!!! oh and by the way, you're fired............. Love to all, Donna PS: you're not really fired I just like saying that, but you keep talking smack about beating my boy and we can work something out !!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #46 March 1, 2006 QuoteHence intentional It's not a thing that happens automatically. It's because of a sequence of events that the pilot created INTENTIONALLY to cause them to pop up INTENTIONALLY. It doesn't 'just happen'. ok whatever.. digging yourself out of the corner is fun, it is intense. should i disclaimer this? ok... DONT DO IT!!! anyway, strap on 20lbs of weight, fly to land in downwind situation, do the same setup you always do and fly like you always do, and then you will pop up. it will just happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vdschoor 0 #47 March 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteHence intentional It's not a thing that happens automatically. It's because of a sequence of events that the pilot created INTENTIONALLY to cause them to pop up INTENTIONALLY. It doesn't 'just happen'. ok whatever.. digging yourself out of the corner is fun, it is intense. should i disclaimer this? ok... DONT DO IT!!! anyway, strap on 20lbs of weight, fly to land in downwind situation, do the same setup you always do and fly like you always do, and then you will pop up. it will just happen. I'm sorry Mark, I respect you and your opinions.. but I don't believe the just happens theory you're posting.. I've talked about this with several very experienced (some even pro) swoopers and it's a technique to get more distance... If it really is something that "just happens" in your opinion.. I would go back and ask several other swoopers.. I don't think Tagle popped up "accidentally" and got a world record by accident.. Neither did Ian Bobo or Shannon Pilcher or any of the pro guys.. the podium doesn't just happen if it happens all the time.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tr027 0 #48 March 1, 2006 My guess is that when you overspeed the wing enough (such as at the bottom of the dive) it will temporarily create enough lift to climb. As you can see from my profile I'm nowhere near knowing this as fact from experience, so it's just a good guess that supports marks' statement. Maybe it will show up on Mythbusters one day so we all know either way. edit: kinda like when you strap rockets on a wingsuit it can fly level or climb, or with enough thrust a pig or just about anything will fly. and just to stay on topic, i think the new weight rules will be interesting."The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davelepka 4 #49 March 1, 2006 QuoteMy guess is that when you overspeed the wing enough (such as at the bottom of the dive) it will temporarily create enough lift to climb This is pretty much whats happening. The disagreement is mostly semantics. The pop up is a result of the manuvers the pilot makes. Without the pilot doing something, the canopy would not go up. In the course of flying the approach, events transpire to create a pop up, so it becomes a by- product of the appraoch. The other side of the coin would be to level off, then apply extra riser or toggle beyond what you need to level off, and make yourself go up. This is not what mark is doing, so he says it's unintentional. It really could go either way as far as who is right. As long as you know the difference between the two, you deciede who is right. It doesn't really matter anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #50 March 1, 2006 Quote My guess is that when you overspeed the wing enough (such as at the bottom of the dive) it will temporarily create enough lift to climb. That's my take on it as well. I swoop a "big" wing and if I let up on the front risers abruptly after putting it in a steep dive it definately climbs without any control input. I have done this many many times on accident and I learned that I need to come off the fronts smoothly because of the size of my canopy and its resulting positive recovery arc. Of course, I'm not a competitor yet, just a beer-line swooper.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
AggieDave 6 #33 March 1, 2006 QuoteAfter the Academy you should be thin. WTf you been doing? Eating donuts already Are you kidding? We had classes on donuts. It all started with "The science of sprinkles" and went from there. I really don't understand how the new rules are fair, especially with guys like you and me (and others) in the mix. For instance, I would load a 120 at 2.3:1 without extra weight.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #34 March 1, 2006 QuoteI really don't understand how the new rules are fair jsut start getting into more comps and you will see how much more it will level everything. Im about 180 exit weight. and I really think this is an advantage to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #35 March 1, 2006 QuoteFor instance, I would load a 120 at 2.3:1 without extra weight right, but you couldn't put on any more lead to bump that velo 120 up to "the sweet spot" of 2.5:1(or more) to do that you would have to downsize to a 111 or a 103 ( i am using velo's here, humor me) Now you have less wing over your head and more loading, which one do you want?? Personally, the weight restrictions don't affect me I don't wear weights nor do i plan to any time in the forseeable future. However, this cast on my right leg does add about 10lbs. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #36 March 1, 2006 The chart says I could wear 21 pounds, but none of you will ever see me with anything like that on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #37 March 1, 2006 I get to wear no weight. I'm 206.6 lbs naked. I think it's great that the playing field is coming to me. I never really liked wearing weight in the first place. Very rarely it pay's to be a fat kid. Suckas! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #38 March 1, 2006 So have you thought about swooping naked to throw off your competition even more??? Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydivenagasaki 0 #39 March 1, 2006 Quote So have you thought about swooping naked to throw off your competition even more??? Oh come one now, I doubt Grant needs any encouraging and besides, nobody likes a naked fat kid... "and if you don't like it then 'Hey Fuck You'" --The Beastie Boys-- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #40 March 1, 2006 Quoteand like I said about the pop up thing. there is no secret, thats why nobody will tell you it. It just happens. Seeing as it's the 2nd time you've said it I'm going to chime in and say, that's just flat out wrong. The pop up thing, for those in control, is quite intentional. Feel free to talk to Jay, Ian or any other accomplished swooper you don't have to take my word for it. There is a very valid reason for it. Some notes: 1) It only works if you have a lot of power otherwise the energy is better spent elsewhere. 2) The timing is critical, too late and you've lost a lot of energy, too early and it requires a lot to lift you up which is bad too. 3) The height that you fly up to is dependant on the wind direction relative to your path.To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brits17 0 #41 March 1, 2006 QuotePersonally I think it is a great idea. It is, I agree for the same reasons you mentioned. What some folks don't realize now is this is just the beginning of the 'leveling evolution.' Everyone is still competing in the same field regardless of body weight, but this will probably change as more swoopers become involved in the circuit. Oh yeah, vdschoor and marks, take me snowboarding with ya'll... I still have one good arm _______________________ aerialkinetics.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #42 March 1, 2006 QuoteThe pop up thing, for those in control, is quite intentional. Feel free to talk to Jay, Ian or any other accomplished swooper you don't have to take my word for it. the energy is created while still in the dive, not on plane out and not to "pop" up. if done right, you let go of the rears just before your even level. it is all energy, and it is not "poping up". you dont do it intentionally, It just happens when you create the energy and "dig" yourself out of the corner. "pendelum" it isn't wrong. you dont intentionally "pop up", it just happens when you do everything right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #43 March 1, 2006 QuoteQuotePersonally I think it is a great idea. It is, I agree for the same reasons you mentioned. What some folks don't realize now is this is just the beginning of the 'leveling evolution.' Everyone is still competing in the same field regardless of body weight, but this will probably change as more swoopers become involved in the circuit. Oh yeah, vdschoor and marks, take me snowboarding with ya'll... I still have one good arm lets go, how about in a couple weeks? meet ya in calli! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ntacfreefly 0 #44 March 1, 2006 QuoteIt just happens when you create the energy and "dig" yourself out of the corner. "pendelum" Hence intentional It's not a thing that happens automatically. It's because of a sequence of events that the pilot created INTENTIONALLY to cause them to pop up INTENTIONALLY. It doesn't 'just happen'. There's a very specific reason why it produces more distance. As for 'digging' out of the 'corner' I'd be a little more careful with the verbage. It's easy to give the illusion to upcoming jumpers that low = good. As usual, try and be careful what you say. Not everyone knows what you mean and someone reading this will undoubtedly come away thinking digging out of the corner is a good thing - which we both know it's not.To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders. ~ Lao-Tzu It's all good, they're my brothers ~ Mariann Kramer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MRSLLAMA 0 #45 March 1, 2006 "And Sonic is training this year and we should all be watching him. Although I think I got him beat!" calm down Johnny calm down !!!! care to put some money on that you smack talking flim flam !!!!! put your money where your key board is !!! since you'll be watching my boy walking up to the podium to accept his medal !!!! oh and by the way, you're fired............. Love to all, Donna PS: you're not really fired I just like saying that, but you keep talking smack about beating my boy and we can work something out !!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #46 March 1, 2006 QuoteHence intentional It's not a thing that happens automatically. It's because of a sequence of events that the pilot created INTENTIONALLY to cause them to pop up INTENTIONALLY. It doesn't 'just happen'. ok whatever.. digging yourself out of the corner is fun, it is intense. should i disclaimer this? ok... DONT DO IT!!! anyway, strap on 20lbs of weight, fly to land in downwind situation, do the same setup you always do and fly like you always do, and then you will pop up. it will just happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vdschoor 0 #47 March 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteHence intentional It's not a thing that happens automatically. It's because of a sequence of events that the pilot created INTENTIONALLY to cause them to pop up INTENTIONALLY. It doesn't 'just happen'. ok whatever.. digging yourself out of the corner is fun, it is intense. should i disclaimer this? ok... DONT DO IT!!! anyway, strap on 20lbs of weight, fly to land in downwind situation, do the same setup you always do and fly like you always do, and then you will pop up. it will just happen. I'm sorry Mark, I respect you and your opinions.. but I don't believe the just happens theory you're posting.. I've talked about this with several very experienced (some even pro) swoopers and it's a technique to get more distance... If it really is something that "just happens" in your opinion.. I would go back and ask several other swoopers.. I don't think Tagle popped up "accidentally" and got a world record by accident.. Neither did Ian Bobo or Shannon Pilcher or any of the pro guys.. the podium doesn't just happen if it happens all the time.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tr027 0 #48 March 1, 2006 My guess is that when you overspeed the wing enough (such as at the bottom of the dive) it will temporarily create enough lift to climb. As you can see from my profile I'm nowhere near knowing this as fact from experience, so it's just a good guess that supports marks' statement. Maybe it will show up on Mythbusters one day so we all know either way. edit: kinda like when you strap rockets on a wingsuit it can fly level or climb, or with enough thrust a pig or just about anything will fly. and just to stay on topic, i think the new weight rules will be interesting."The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davelepka 4 #49 March 1, 2006 QuoteMy guess is that when you overspeed the wing enough (such as at the bottom of the dive) it will temporarily create enough lift to climb This is pretty much whats happening. The disagreement is mostly semantics. The pop up is a result of the manuvers the pilot makes. Without the pilot doing something, the canopy would not go up. In the course of flying the approach, events transpire to create a pop up, so it becomes a by- product of the appraoch. The other side of the coin would be to level off, then apply extra riser or toggle beyond what you need to level off, and make yourself go up. This is not what mark is doing, so he says it's unintentional. It really could go either way as far as who is right. As long as you know the difference between the two, you deciede who is right. It doesn't really matter anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mattjw916 2 #50 March 1, 2006 Quote My guess is that when you overspeed the wing enough (such as at the bottom of the dive) it will temporarily create enough lift to climb. That's my take on it as well. I swoop a "big" wing and if I let up on the front risers abruptly after putting it in a steep dive it definately climbs without any control input. I have done this many many times on accident and I learned that I need to come off the fronts smoothly because of the size of my canopy and its resulting positive recovery arc. Of course, I'm not a competitor yet, just a beer-line swooper.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 2 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
vdschoor 0 #47 March 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteHence intentional It's not a thing that happens automatically. It's because of a sequence of events that the pilot created INTENTIONALLY to cause them to pop up INTENTIONALLY. It doesn't 'just happen'. ok whatever.. digging yourself out of the corner is fun, it is intense. should i disclaimer this? ok... DONT DO IT!!! anyway, strap on 20lbs of weight, fly to land in downwind situation, do the same setup you always do and fly like you always do, and then you will pop up. it will just happen. I'm sorry Mark, I respect you and your opinions.. but I don't believe the just happens theory you're posting.. I've talked about this with several very experienced (some even pro) swoopers and it's a technique to get more distance... If it really is something that "just happens" in your opinion.. I would go back and ask several other swoopers.. I don't think Tagle popped up "accidentally" and got a world record by accident.. Neither did Ian Bobo or Shannon Pilcher or any of the pro guys.. the podium doesn't just happen if it happens all the time.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tr027 0 #48 March 1, 2006 My guess is that when you overspeed the wing enough (such as at the bottom of the dive) it will temporarily create enough lift to climb. As you can see from my profile I'm nowhere near knowing this as fact from experience, so it's just a good guess that supports marks' statement. Maybe it will show up on Mythbusters one day so we all know either way. edit: kinda like when you strap rockets on a wingsuit it can fly level or climb, or with enough thrust a pig or just about anything will fly. and just to stay on topic, i think the new weight rules will be interesting."The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #49 March 1, 2006 QuoteMy guess is that when you overspeed the wing enough (such as at the bottom of the dive) it will temporarily create enough lift to climb This is pretty much whats happening. The disagreement is mostly semantics. The pop up is a result of the manuvers the pilot makes. Without the pilot doing something, the canopy would not go up. In the course of flying the approach, events transpire to create a pop up, so it becomes a by- product of the appraoch. The other side of the coin would be to level off, then apply extra riser or toggle beyond what you need to level off, and make yourself go up. This is not what mark is doing, so he says it's unintentional. It really could go either way as far as who is right. As long as you know the difference between the two, you deciede who is right. It doesn't really matter anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #50 March 1, 2006 Quote My guess is that when you overspeed the wing enough (such as at the bottom of the dive) it will temporarily create enough lift to climb. That's my take on it as well. I swoop a "big" wing and if I let up on the front risers abruptly after putting it in a steep dive it definately climbs without any control input. I have done this many many times on accident and I learned that I need to come off the fronts smoothly because of the size of my canopy and its resulting positive recovery arc. Of course, I'm not a competitor yet, just a beer-line swooper.NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
