Slider Question

[packing_jarrett 0]

what I do for my 116 is collapse it then just pull it all the way down to the cheststrap, undo the excess strap from the elastic, and tack the slider down with the excess by sticking it back in elastic. picture

Na' Cho' Cheese

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145 jumps.

Batwing 116 (1.4)/ Vengeance 135 (1.1)

and you stow your slider so you don't have any visibility.



I don't see how your kidding, so I will just have to say your lack of experience is going to hurt or kill you. go get some coaching from someone, and make sure what your doing is ok before you get hurt.

[cessna54tango 0]

you attach your slider to your chest strap?

[davelepka 4]

Thats fucking stupid. WHat happens when it s comes loose at a critical point in your canopy ride and covers your face?

Years ago, when parachutes first started to pick up speed, some guys would twist up their slider, and hold it in their teeth. The reason I stated above is why they don't so that anymore.

Try to avoid suggesting your bad idead to others.

[nicknitro71 0]

Dude, PLEASE quit skydiving, you're too cool for it, and start BASE!

I would love you to implement some of those ideas in the BASE enviroment.

That was one of the coolest things I have ever heard right next to string theory.

Memento Audere Semper

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[Spizzzarko 0]

I could never hold a slider with my mouth. I would drool to much on it. hahaa Just like th eball and rubber band thingy it's not cool to have your slider attached to you or your rig when you have to cut away low from a wrap. The removable slider is the way to go, just be carefull when you pack it.

Grant

[davelepka 4]

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I could never hold a slider with my mouth. I would drool to much on it. hahaa

This was the reason I stopped doing it that way, no shit.

The idea of it covering your face came up after I stopped doing that way.

I use the ball and bungee set-up. Mine is attached to some loops made from binding tape on my yoke. By the time I stow it, I'm pretty sure I'll stay with the canopy. In the case I do need to cutaway, I'm pretty sure it will let go somehow, or even if it doesn't, I'm fucked as it is because I'm in a wrap.

The removable slider is too hardcore for me. Has anyone had a corner or two let go during deployment? Or how about lines entangling with the slider parts? Anyone?

[Spizzzarko 0]

AS with any system there are pro's and con's. I choose the removable slider set up over the ball and band (sounds like an S&M thing doesn't it?) because of the potential of it not releasing in a slow speed environment. Yes a wrap is the last place any one of us want to be, but the hazards can be mitigated with proper emergency procedures. Personally I don't foresee myself getting into a wrap but none of us really do (CRW people excepted). When and if the time comes I want there to be as little hindrance of removing myself from the malfunctioning abortion as possible.

There are con's to using the removable slider, such as improper installation. You can do this with a regular collapsible slider, and have catastrophic openings. Paying attention can alleviate the potential of setting the removable slider up improperly. This can also alleviate many other packing malfunctions. Yes over time your removable slider can wear just like the collapsible slider can wear out (the material over the draw strings can wear, and the draw strings on the collapsible can start to not keep the slider collapsed), but proper gear maintenance and inspection should catch this prior to failure. We bitch at the people who try and get one more jump out of their worn closing loops, why don't we bitch at those who are jumping shitty line sets, or worn out sliders?

What ever we choose to jump is our own personal opinion, and I'm not going to say the removable slider is best for everyone. It just works for me, and that is why I jump it. I will tell you the pro's and con's of the system and why I choose to jump it, but you must make up your own mind about your gear choices and then live (or die) with that choice.

[davelepka 4]

I'm not opposed to the removable slider, I think it's cool. I'm more interested in the failures just to hear how it goes down.

For me, the extra time packing is the killer. I pack for myself, and often have a 15 min turnaround to pack, swap a tape and CF card, swap batteries, maybe change jumpsuits, and all that other bullshit, so a few minutes makes the difference.

I'd love to be able to loose the slider all together, but for now, I'm stuck with it.

[cessna54tango 0]

not sure how anyone elses is set up, with joe benettes rig its almost impossible for a corner to come loose. anything is possible but i cant see it happening. with the pull of one "handle" on the slider all 4 corners release and its in your hand by this "handle". its easy if youre not paying attention to hook it up wrong, as ive caught myself a few times. you need to do a good check whey you pack. like you normally should, but i dont see a removable slider making the chance of a mal any greater. just a little time consuming like you mentioned. once you get good at its not bad. i can get it on and ready in a minute, its not that bad. if you have the whole rds deal on its a bit more cause mine winds up behind me so i have to spend a few minutes unwinding it before packing.

[jenkincb00 0]

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Thats fucking stupid. WHat happens when it s comes loose at a critical point in your canopy ride and covers your face?

Years ago, when parachutes first started to pick up speed, some guys would twist up their slider, and hold it in their teeth. The reason I stated above is why they don't so that anymore.

Try to avoid suggesting your bad idead to others.

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I agree that this isn't the smartest thing I've ever seen, but I don't think you're going to convince any1 that you are right by attacking them. You obviously looked at his jump #'s and know that he is new perhaps he has been miss guided by experienced skydivers at his DZ or hasn't had any guidance. I would suggest that he changes his set up in the interest of safety and I would also suggest that he waits on giving others gear/rigging advice until he has more experience.

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To the other point, saying that he should quit skydiving, that was in my opinion out of line, but who the hell am I and I'm probably an asshole 2, understandably his advice was wrong and perhaps dangerous but he's not the first person on here to get something wrong and if any1 takes gear advise from these post without getting a rigger/knowledgable opinion from some1 they know and trust then they are "FUCKING STUPID" and they might want to consider taking up bowling.

[davelepka 4]

I didn't say he was stupid, I said his idea was stupid. I also backed it up with a good reason, and a real world example of where a similar idea had previously been given up.

I really don't have to be nice. I'm right. I live with a little thing called reality where being right, and preventing an incident is more important than being nice.

Do you think he mis-understood my point, or the severity of the mistake he might be making? I don't.

[jurgencamps 0]

Years ago, I have put my slider under my chin once and I did not liked the idea, because it can cover your face at the wrong moment. A few months later, a german jumper was killed in Eloy when this happened during the landing.

Jurgen

[Spizzzarko 0]

any1, asshole 2, some1



Sometimes modern english just does not cut it in an intellectual conversation.

[packing_jarrett 0]

hold on... whats wrong with this idea. I've been doing this for 100 jumps and haven't had a single problem with it. It doesn't come undone unless I have a cutaway. Tell me how its stupid.

edit to add: I do get coaching from people who have more exp. and they don't see anything wrong with it.

Na' Cho' Cheese

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get coaching from someone else then.

[packing_jarrett 0]

dude they all have said the same thing and I do the same thing they all tell me to do. Is there something else that they would tell me different.

Na' Cho' Cheese

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yes

a good canopy coach will tell you different.

you have visibility loss with the possibility of blindness under a wing that is way to high peformance for someone with your jump numbers. if you knew better or had more experience you wouldn't be jumping that canopy nor would you stow your slider in the front.

[Spizzzarko 0]

What the ALIEN being called Shitmel that must be destroyed is trying to say...

"Dude,

Chill out for a few jumps. I know swooping and small canopies are fun, but you really need to hone your skills on a bigger wing, as it will help you emensly later on. Look at Ian Bobo and those other PD dudes. They did many many jums on bigger canopies. This allowed them to really focus on things because they were happening much slower. All of the concepts are pretty much the same, but with a bigger canopy things happen slower and you can learn more. AS for the slider thing, you are fucking up by the numbers. DO NOT CONTINUE TO STOW YOUR SHIT THAT WAY. YOur a young dude and we want to see you become an olde dude. Just pull your slider down like the rest of humanity and collapse it. stowing it on your chest strap doesn't give you any more performance. TRUST ME I KNOW THIS.

Shitmelll"

The mispelled words are actually part of the translation. Shimel, you owe me $10 for this translation service. I can accept payment in cash, money order, non-negotiable Verabonds, or you can send me two viagra pills, as that is what I take to be able to translate shimelspeak. I will be MARKS official translator from now on, but it will come at a price.

Grant

[packing_jarrett 0]

your right
They way I stow it there is blindness. not much compared from what I've experienced when stowing the slider behind my head. You don't have to worry anymore, I'm getting a new canopy soon. Not that I think that the batwing is too highperformance but its very inconsistent ie. openings mainly, and landings have been weird. Previous owner had the same problems.

Na' Cho' Cheese

[RMURRAY 1]

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your right
They way I stow it there is blindness. not much compared from what I've experienced when stowing the slider behind my head. You don't have to worry anymore, I'm getting a new canopy soon. Not that I think that the batwing is too highperformance but its very inconsistent ie. openings mainly, and landings have been weird. Previous owner had the same problems.

I know a guy hurt badly (broken back) when the slider flew up in front of his face during landing. He had well over 2000 jumps at the time...but that was about 10 years ago - I thought everyone knows not to stow the slider anywhere near the front of your face these days....

rm

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your right
They way I stow it there is blindness. not much compared from what I've experienced when stowing the slider behind my head. You don't have to worry anymore, I'm getting a new canopy soon. Not that I think that the batwing is too highperformance but its very inconsistent ie. openings mainly, and landings have been weird. Previous owner had the same problems.

thank you
I'm glad you see that.

but the problems your having with the canopy is probably more you than it is the canopy. I say that because there is no way you have the ability to land that canopy correctly yet.

thanks spaz... I need a translator.

[packing_jarrett 0]

I'm sure my experience plays a part in it. but I and others that have jumped this canopy say that this canopy needs a new lineset or I need to choose something better. I'M SURE IF I WAS LANDING THE CANOPY INCORRECTLY then people wouldn't let me jump the thing. I'm at a comfortable range of canopies for my learning ability (not what you think it should be) but everyone has their opinions.

Na' Cho' Cheese

[davelepka 4]

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whats wrong with this idea. I've been doing this for 100 jumps and haven't had a single problem with it.

Do you know how to read? I stated what was wrong with the idea. A few posts down, some one else backed up with a story about a german guy going in at Eloy from the same problem you're at risk for.

Is it realyl hard to understand the problem? If your stow should come loose at the wrong time, your slider can cover your face. What is os hard to understand about that? Can you get your canopy coaches on here to explain how this is a better alternative than behind your head? I'd love to hear them try to back that one up.

Get this, you are only 15, and most likey haven't jumped in many places due to your age. Maybe there's more out there in the world than you've seen or known about. Maybe you need to consider that, and instead of insisting that you're right, be open to the possibility that you have alot to learn, and that this is a great time to start.

Have ever been laid? Looking forward to a drivers license? Ever done blow off of a strippers tits? There's alot of good stuff out there in the world. Shut your mouth, open your mind, be smart, and live to see it all.

[twnsnd 1]

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Have ever been laid? Looking forward to a drivers license? Ever done blow off of a strippers tits? There's alot of good stuff out there in the world. Shut your mouth, open your mind, be smart, and live to see it all.

I don't know man, the kids these days are living fast.

-We are the Swoophaters. We have travelled back in time to hate on your swoops.-