shadowswoop97 0 #26 June 28, 2006 QuoteNick, A couple of points: 2. Second, we do not use grommets. We use Machined SS rings and I do have a idea what they do to the lines. The grommets that we use are not the machines peices that you use, they are actual canopy gromets from sweden 3.How many jumps have you got on our system? a few hundred on jvx competition trim lines from NZ aerosports, they are the lines that come from the manufacturer, not the dark green lines that everyone is talking about. 4.There are two patents pending on our RDS system and I believe one for PD 's version, so it will be interesting to see yours! Its not my design or my work to patent, it is Kirk from Para-Concepts design, and I think it is a good one, sorry to offend anyone who thinks they know everything about a product they havent even seen Blue ones, MEL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #27 June 28, 2006 QuoteI can send you a video clip of the openings a bit later when I get time tonight Could you upload any clips to http://www.skydivingmovies.com and post a link here please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #28 June 28, 2006 Quote4.There are two patents pending on our RDS system and I believe one for PD 's version... What are the application numbers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowswoop97 0 #29 June 28, 2006 Sorry for the confusion on the machined rings, turns out they are very well manufactured, my previous statement about them is retracted, I appreciate your imput. As far as the patents go, i will see that Kirk is aware of there presence in this matter . Thanks again Mel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowswoop97 0 #30 June 30, 2006 http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=download&id=4162 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #31 June 30, 2006 http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=download&id=4162 nice opening there... but have you jumped it many many times. the only problem i see with the rings is when your in your rollout. high speed dive, and one of the rings floats up on your riser because of the air it catches, and then you go for your rears, and grab a ring.. i got a bunch of jumps on thos old style rings that were brass grommets, and the problem was there was so much surface area they would float up on your riser. thats why we got the love for the steel rings now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cessna54tango 0 #32 June 30, 2006 yea but the other thing is that you need 2 hands to remove it. my first "homemade" rds was this way. you need to hold the slider with one hand then pull the cutwaway cables with the other. then reel it in. joes and mels you just grab the handle and pull it all off in one motion then reel the junk in. i think its much faster. but yea it did open nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #33 June 30, 2006 I agree with you Mark. I jumped Chuck Owens JVX 96 with the RDS that had the brass gromits set in the webbing. The gromits would float up every once in awhile. I like the metal rings on my velocity slider better. Grant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shadowswoop97 0 #34 June 30, 2006 I can understand what you are talking about, as for two hands thats the way I like to remove things, I just dont trust loosing my trash and having to go find it later cause my one hand slipped, and also Mel has a patent on the one step release system. I can see what you are talking about mark with the rings, maybe I will have some slider stopper ledges sewn on the inside bottom of each riser, when I pull the grommets past the ledge, it will not excape back up during any exicution under canopy. Also like I said, I will deal with a little extra which by far is not much things to do, if the canopy opend nice with the system. And there are a few hundred jumps on a jvx with the system, and everything is still working properly, Thnaks for your concern boys, Nick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #35 June 30, 2006 so with those rings, are they floting up at high speeds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #36 June 30, 2006 Hows your car horn working? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shadowswoop97 0 #37 June 30, 2006 Ye s Mark, I notise it slightly during certain portions of the turn, nothing noticeable coming out of the dive though, have had no interference coming out of the corner, but something to look at, Thanks Mark, and yes Grant my horns are working great, i use them every day. They will see you and your bullhorn at the Swoop Festival, if your gonna be there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flow 1 #38 June 30, 2006 QuoteI jumped Chuck Owens JVX 96 So, did you like the JVX? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites inertial 0 #39 July 8, 2006 Hey, Frank van Gelder makes great ones: http://www.lookma.de/Starting_Page/Products/RDS_Slider/rds_slider.html There are technically matured and he has a new ring-design for them. You should contact him concerning some photos. I'm going to get one, too. Regards Tobi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #40 July 10, 2006 QuoteI agree with you Mark. I jumped Chuck Owens JVX 96 with the RDS that had the brass gromits set in the webbing. The gromits would float up every once in awhile. I like the metal rings on my velocity slider better. Grant I haven't ever had that problem and I have one of the very first sets that Joe ever made. It's so inconsequential that I have actually not installed my steel rings that Joe gave me at Dublin. I can see how it might possibly happen if you didn't set them down into the riser V after yanking your shit off, but in Shimmy's terms: I have many, many jumps on my system. Over 1000 actually. The old rings have never "slid up" on my system. YMMV. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #41 July 10, 2006 QuoteI have many, many jumps on my system. Over 1000 actually. The old rings have never "slid up" on my system. YMMV thats because you must be slow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #42 July 10, 2006 what ever you say, Mark. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites golowjoe 0 #43 July 11, 2006 No it's because Chuck's were made with Stainless grommets and not brass and the weight holds them down better . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Spizzzarko 0 #44 July 11, 2006 Chuck owens were made of brass and the grommits did float up. He told me that if you lay a certain one on top of another they would not float up like that. What ever. I like the steel rings on my slider. Mel and Joe make good stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DALAILAMA 0 #45 July 18, 2006 Thanks Joe! The openings are amazing and the rings have stayed down every time. The amount of time it takes to reattach it after landing is unnoticable. Your RDS is without a doubt the best "cannot live without" accessorie since the inception of swooping!"Dropzone.com, where uneducated people measuring penises, has become an art form" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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cessna54tango 0 #32 June 30, 2006 yea but the other thing is that you need 2 hands to remove it. my first "homemade" rds was this way. you need to hold the slider with one hand then pull the cutwaway cables with the other. then reel it in. joes and mels you just grab the handle and pull it all off in one motion then reel the junk in. i think its much faster. but yea it did open nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #33 June 30, 2006 I agree with you Mark. I jumped Chuck Owens JVX 96 with the RDS that had the brass gromits set in the webbing. The gromits would float up every once in awhile. I like the metal rings on my velocity slider better. Grant Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowswoop97 0 #34 June 30, 2006 I can understand what you are talking about, as for two hands thats the way I like to remove things, I just dont trust loosing my trash and having to go find it later cause my one hand slipped, and also Mel has a patent on the one step release system. I can see what you are talking about mark with the rings, maybe I will have some slider stopper ledges sewn on the inside bottom of each riser, when I pull the grommets past the ledge, it will not excape back up during any exicution under canopy. Also like I said, I will deal with a little extra which by far is not much things to do, if the canopy opend nice with the system. And there are a few hundred jumps on a jvx with the system, and everything is still working properly, Thnaks for your concern boys, Nick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #35 June 30, 2006 so with those rings, are they floting up at high speeds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #36 June 30, 2006 Hows your car horn working? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadowswoop97 0 #37 June 30, 2006 Ye s Mark, I notise it slightly during certain portions of the turn, nothing noticeable coming out of the dive though, have had no interference coming out of the corner, but something to look at, Thanks Mark, and yes Grant my horns are working great, i use them every day. They will see you and your bullhorn at the Swoop Festival, if your gonna be there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flow 1 #38 June 30, 2006 QuoteI jumped Chuck Owens JVX 96 So, did you like the JVX? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
inertial 0 #39 July 8, 2006 Hey, Frank van Gelder makes great ones: http://www.lookma.de/Starting_Page/Products/RDS_Slider/rds_slider.html There are technically matured and he has a new ring-design for them. You should contact him concerning some photos. I'm going to get one, too. Regards Tobi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #40 July 10, 2006 QuoteI agree with you Mark. I jumped Chuck Owens JVX 96 with the RDS that had the brass gromits set in the webbing. The gromits would float up every once in awhile. I like the metal rings on my velocity slider better. Grant I haven't ever had that problem and I have one of the very first sets that Joe ever made. It's so inconsequential that I have actually not installed my steel rings that Joe gave me at Dublin. I can see how it might possibly happen if you didn't set them down into the riser V after yanking your shit off, but in Shimmy's terms: I have many, many jumps on my system. Over 1000 actually. The old rings have never "slid up" on my system. YMMV. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #41 July 10, 2006 QuoteI have many, many jumps on my system. Over 1000 actually. The old rings have never "slid up" on my system. YMMV thats because you must be slow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #42 July 10, 2006 what ever you say, Mark. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
golowjoe 0 #43 July 11, 2006 No it's because Chuck's were made with Stainless grommets and not brass and the weight holds them down better . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #44 July 11, 2006 Chuck owens were made of brass and the grommits did float up. He told me that if you lay a certain one on top of another they would not float up like that. What ever. I like the steel rings on my slider. Mel and Joe make good stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DALAILAMA 0 #45 July 18, 2006 Thanks Joe! The openings are amazing and the rings have stayed down every time. The amount of time it takes to reattach it after landing is unnoticable. Your RDS is without a doubt the best "cannot live without" accessorie since the inception of swooping!"Dropzone.com, where uneducated people measuring penises, has become an art form" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
