meatbomb 0 #51 August 7, 2006 I did 6 jumps on my Neos 119 (2.4) this weekend, and I'm still trying to make my mind up. A bit of background on me: I've done 60 jumps on a Velo-120 (2.4) and 120 on VX-114s (2.5). Before that, I had done 500 jumps on Crossfire2s (1.7-2.0). I like the faster openings, flatter trim, and more positive recovery arc of the VX. I thought the Neos looked pretty funky in the air, with the partial centre arc / cross bracing, and the inflated stabilisers, and I really loved the whip I could get on my turn initiation, but I really didn't like the Velo-like recovery. It seems to sink in on recovery, rather than the more positive recovery of the VX. It certainly seems to descend faster in all toggle modes than my VX, and has lighter front riser pressure. Theorizing, I think a lot of the difference will be down to the lower rigidity of the wing, with less cross-bracing, along with a steeper trim than on the Crossfire2 or VX. I think that pilots who like the way the Velocity flies will love this canopy, but, for me, I prefer the VX. If I had to characterise the Neos in terms of other canopies, I'd put it between the VX and a Velocity. I'm gonna do more jumps on the Neos over the next couple of weeks, to give me more of a chance to get used to it, but if I still don't like it, I can always take advantage of Icarus' 30 day money back guarantee, and get myself another VX instead --- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #52 August 7, 2006 Quote Icarus' 30 day money back guarantee is icarus the one who sold it to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatbomb 0 #53 August 7, 2006 Yup...? --- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #54 August 7, 2006 regardless the 30 day money back gaurentee still works if you buy from a dealer... or in my case I just asked for a replacement canopy Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #55 August 7, 2006 Quote regardless the 30 day money back gaurentee still works if you buy from a dealer... or in my case I just asked for a replacement canopy Dave yes, but that is on icarus canopies. is this canopy really an icarus canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #56 August 8, 2006 Quote Quote regardless the 30 day money back gaurentee still works if you buy from a dealer... or in my case I just asked for a replacement canopy Dave yes, but that is on icarus canopies. is this canopy really an icarus canopy? see here, to tell you the truth, im still not sure. http://canopypiloting.tempwebpage.com/cgi-bin/gforum/gforum.cgi?post=4942;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #57 August 8, 2006 hmmmm this sounds like the beginning of a political debate about who owns Icarus now... Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #58 August 8, 2006 Quote hmmmm this sounds like the beginning of a political debate about who owns Icarus now... If you read the messages from jim in the link you would have read that nz aerosports is the true owner of icarus and has licenced the name out to two other companies. dadalus is the father of icarus in myth and the companys are aptly named."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #59 August 8, 2006 There is a lot more to it than that. The Neos is an Icarus Canopy. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #60 August 8, 2006 Could someone with the right knowledge please post how many Icarus companies are out there? Am I the only one very confused? Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #61 August 8, 2006 Quote Am I the only one very confused? Nope! Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMGR2 0 #62 August 9, 2006 Quote Quote Am I the only one very confused? Nope! You can say that again... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #63 August 9, 2006 gyro, from nz aerosports is the forfather if icarus canopies, and has licenced out the right to make them to a US company and a spanish company (cisma or something like that). the spaninsh company developed the crossfire 2 the omni i think the saffire 2 the neos and of course the icarus reserve! nz arosports developed dadalus project! so jvx, glx and gls NZ aerosports. dadalus NOT ICARUS. neos, cisma NOT ICARUS. Icarus is licenced out by Gyro and he doesn´t know much about neos at all. Gyro is in my daligation here at the world meet so i will ask him to finalise but as far as i know this is how it is!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmac324 0 #64 August 9, 2006 I found this on cisma's web site, looks very much like a picture of a neos to me http://www.cimsa.com/engineering_eras.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatbomb 0 #65 August 9, 2006 Quote the spaninsh company developed the crossfire 2 the omni i think the saffire 2 the neos and of course the icarus reserve! Quote neos, cisma NOT ICARUS. Icarus is licenced out by Gyro and he doesn´t know much about neos at all. By that logic, the Crossfire2, Omni, Safire2 and reserve canopies aren't Icarus canopies either! Not quite sure it's as simple as that... From what I can tell, the Neos is the first of the above canopies designed by CIMSA that has yet to be adopted by the other Icarus partners...I'll see if I can get a take on this from Hector at CIMSA/Icarus...--- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LukeOliver 0 #66 August 9, 2006 Quote gyro, from nz aerosports "Jyro". It's an acronym ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #67 August 9, 2006 Jump Your Ring Off!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #68 August 9, 2006 If you need my to post a picture of my Icarus Canopies label on ym, Neos, I will. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dharma1976 0 #69 August 9, 2006 oh the politics of it all... how about we all do this, lets jump canopies that we like to jump try things and see if we like em... peoples infighting across like 3 oceans really doesnt concern me Davehttp://www.skyjunky.com CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #70 August 9, 2006 Its only important if you need service a few years down the road. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nullified 0 #71 August 11, 2006 Quote By that logic, the Crossfire2, Omni, Safire2 and reserve canopies aren't Icarus canopies either! Not quite sure it's as simple as that... Wait, so Ox and the Velda aren't Icarus canopies either? -M If you're gonna' be stupid, well, then you're most likely stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #72 August 21, 2006 I'd like to see the logo ICARUS NEOS on the side panel. not just a icarus canopies logo on the botom skin, of course CISMA are going advertise icarus in general."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #73 August 21, 2006 Thats apparently not what the marketing department wanted. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #74 August 21, 2006 Quote Thats apparently not what the marketing department wanted. why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #75 August 22, 2006 You should ask the marketing department. Thats not me. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
