dual toggle application

[matc 0]

I'm reading a part of Brian Germain's book and there's this exercise in which you start a turn with a toggle and while still turning, you pull the other toggle. What is the effect of this ? Will the canopy dive ?

[dragon2 2]

Look up "flat turns"

ciel bleu,
Saskia

[AggieDave 6]

No, a flat turn starts flat, in a slower flight configurations, i.e. half-brakes. Then continues flat with the wing overhead the entire time.

Turning then flaring hard is an excersize on how to bring the wing back overhead after a turn. Its an important excersize, but not the same as a flat turn.

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[dragon2 2]

You're right. Must've spent too much time behind my computer today

ciel bleu,
Saskia

[AggieDave 6]

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You're right. Must've spent too much time behind my computer today

No worries, its easy to get turned around.

This is one of the problems with Brian's book. Sure its a great book with a lot of information, but its not the end all of information. Its so much information that for the majority of people, without any coaching or a canopy pilot mentor, they're going to get lost in the shuffle of knowledge. A lot of the problem pilots will glance over the information, since its "boring" and its not the magic genie in the bottle that makes them be able to jump a Velo and rip 400ft swoops.

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[dharma1976 0]

it can also be applied in keeping the linestretch on the outer turn side of the canopy so that you dont lose control of the canopy...

Hear brian talk abou this on SKydive radio here


http://img668.libsyn.com/img668/a26fefdda92fde257ff4398800731c11/45aa9e16/3867/5047/sr14_11_08_05s.mp3

CHeers


Dave

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[Vectracide 0]

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its not the magic genie in the bottle that makes them be able to jump a Velo and rip 400ft swoops.

Awe shit.....I hope I still have that receipt.......

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[matc 0]

Ahh ok I see now ! Also, I've seen some experienced people doing crazy spirals almost like a barrel. I suppose it's a characteristic of a highly loaded elliptical canopy ?

[dharma1976 0]

I tend to lose altitude with a mixture af deep harness and double toggle application to tighten the turn

of course that is when I pull at 13500 or so...

Cheers

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[WeakMindedFool 0]

I took Brians class a few years ago. He taught me that move and I shit you not it has saved me from my own stupidity twice...and from someone elses once. I probably had 300 skydives and was starting to swoop, Brian suggested that I learn how to get out of a bad situation before I worried about getting a good swoop. I wont say he saved my life, he may have, at the very least he saved me a lot of pain. The way he explained it was to aggressively hit one toggle about 6 to 8 inches while in a turn. This will roll the canopy, when you get to about 90' from where you started, hit both toggles another 6 inches or so. You need to keep the same asymmetry in the toggles from the first hit in the second....does that make sense? What it does is puts you into a very, very flat carving turn. You then need to bring the canopy back over your head. Think of puting you fingertips on the horizon and keep them there while you flare. DO NOT TRY THIS CLOSE TO THE GROUND!!! Practice the move up high...a lot. The canopy needs to be enrgized for it to work well. Flat turns are better for you right now, most likely. Oh yeah, it's fun as hell too

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[Pulse 0]

It's really a common-sense move in making up the lost lift in a turn. When you direct the lift-vector anywhere away from the vertical your descent rate will increase. That is, unless you're able to increase the canopy's angle-of-attack. That's all you're doing. It also tightens the turn as such.

It is akin to pulling back on the yoke of an airplane once you have established your bank angle.

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[luis 0]

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it has saved me from my own stupidity twice...

...and here is how Brian's book (and canopy ) saved me and some walking dude. Left toggle stab rolled out of the right "oh-shit!" turn with almost no altitude loss.

lesson learned: better not to swoop if it starts raining so that you don't see people walking

[skydemon2 0]

Wow the industrial haze looks thick there......

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[everymansaved 0]

I could be totally out to lunch here, but although there has been lots of good info stated on here, nobody's said what I had learned as the main idea behind a flare turn. The idea is that should you need to turn close to the ground, and forget to flat turn, you can arrest the dive, and flare the canopy without it having to "recover." Some people are under the impression that the canopy needs to be put back into full flight before it can be flared, which is untrue.

EFS
Sean LR

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[Pulse 0]

I think the information has pointed out what the dual-toggle technique is capable of. But there are any number of ways it can be used.

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