Neos vs GLSxf?

[rhys 0]

so two new canopies in the medium to high performance category?

the neos has 3 xbraced cells and the GLSxf has sail skin.
I wonder what the performance difference is using the two different performance enhancers?

anybody jumped both? (not likeley yet!)

the GLSxf sounds more like me, but i want a ground launch canopy and ZP canopy gets rinsed out to quickly while GL'ing. Being able to use it for demos into tight spots and big ways is a bonus only if it doesn't take too long to open though.

Any thoughts?

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[dharma1976 0]

the GLS XF also has totally steeper trim. I am thinking I am going to send my crossfire off to mel to get it modded sometime next month.

Cheers

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[Sinister 0]

Neos is the way to go for canopy flight and swooping just demo one and you will know.

Shane Murphy
www.adrenalinegeeks.com

[dharma1976 0]

I am just going to sit back and await the icarus vs daedalus thing

Super

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[piisfish 140]

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the GLS XF also has totally steeper trim. I am thinking I am going to send my crossfire off to mel to get it modded sometime next month.

that alo makes me want to reline my XF, although I have a Neos.. And after that I wouldn't want to sell it...

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[YISkyDive 0]

Has anyone actually flown a modded XF2 and would it make sense on a WL of 1.55:1 and 1.75:1?

Thanks

[icevideot 0]

Too bad mine is a CF1. With the issues they had, getting the new line trim might not be smart.

I feel so left out.

"... this ain't a Nerf world."

[rhys 0]

I have a JVX hybrid84 so I'm sure the neos wouldn't even compare to that.

I am just interested in the difference of performance of 3 x-braced cells or sail cloth on the top. two different means of gaining performance on a non/partially crossbraced canopy?

What I want is a canopy for ground launching and demos into small areas, also big ways with heaps of traffic.

I'm pretty sure the GLSxf with come off on top for the pure reason that the sail cloth would make it handle the great outdoors better. But that is just for my needs.

I'm also interested in the Whole Daedalus Icarus ownership thing.

But at the end of the day whatever happens none of it would have happened without Gyro from NZAerosports. He is the mastermind behind Both companies. along with Lord slaton the boundries of canopy flight and manufacture are being pushed to a level unimaginable only a few years ago.
I get the feeling Icarus wants to move away on its own but i guess we will find out in february?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[dharma1976 0]

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Too bad mine is a CF1. With the issues they had, getting the new line trim might not be smart.

I feel so left out.

You know MEL has a lot of experience with the CF 1 as well why don tyou talk to him as well, in fact I think he flies one :-P

Cheers

Dave

http://www.skyjunky.com

CSpenceFLY - I can't believe the number of people willing to bet their life on someone else doing the right thing.

[br0k3n 0]

Does anyone have any idea as the pack volume of the GLSxf compared to a standard xf2?

For example if I have a GLSxf 90 what would it pack like?

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[marks 0]

if it is just the top skin with sail meaterial, I will guess it will pack like a similar sized cross braced canopy, or slightly bigger.

lets say, my guess is it would pack like a 99-107 square foot crossfire.

[br0k3n 0]

does anyone have any idea as to the sweet spot for a GLSxf in terms of loading?

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[freeflydemon 0]

[in reply to ] i guess we will find out in february?


Why february?

[piisfish 140]

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Why february?

PIA is in february.

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[br0k3n 0]

Are there any reviews anywhere for the GLSxf, has anyone demo'd one???

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[thedarkside 0]

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Neos is the way to go for canopy flight and swooping just demo one and you will know.

Have you jumped a GLS XF?

This is the reply from Daedalus

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Unlike PD, Icarus, Precision and the others Daedalus canopies has no
dealers, no demos and offers no discounts or sponsorships

Keep going faster until the joy of speed overcomes the fear of death.

[Sinister 0]

Nope never jumped the glsxf not really interested in it from my understandings it is just a xf2 with different trim and soma sail material the Neos is a much different canopy Arc bracing, true leading edge of the wing, heading stability controll, presurixed stabilizers it is in my opinion not even comprable they are two different beasts I have seen some amazing things being done on the Neos latley. My advice to someone who is looking at buying one of two canopies is to jump both and decide for themselvs opinions are just that opinions people all fly differently no matter how much they all think they fly alike.

Eddited to add: You can only revize the same technology so much until you have to come up with something new if you are looking for something more than an xf2 get something more than an xf2 or learn to pilot what you currently fly better if you can't make the commitment to steping it up yet.

Shane Murphy
www.adrenalinegeeks.com

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

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and offers no discounts or sponsorships

Absolutely not true. I know at least five people that are flying discounted/sponsored JVX canopies. I don't even know why they would WANT to say that.

[thedarkside 0]

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and offers no discounts or sponsorships

Absolutely not true. I know at least five people that are flying discounted/sponsored JVX canopies. I don't even know why they would WANT to say that.

Yea I thought that was odd as well, I don't know why Jim would say that then.

Keep going faster until the joy of speed overcomes the fear of death.

[chachi 0]

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Eddited to add: You can only revize the same technology so much until you have to come up with something new if you are looking for something more than an xf2 get something more than an xf2 or learn to pilot what you currently fly better if you can't make the commitment to steping it up yet.

the neos is actually the old recycled technology from 5 years ago. what i don't get is why not jump a fully cross braced canopy if you are going to half cross brace it do it fully where the weight would be better distributed and be more rigid.

the gls xf is a hybrid canopy. you get a great intermediate swoop canopy with hma, sail, and a hybrid nose so that you can launch it in no wind. an awesome canopy for sure.

ps. what the eff is heading control stability?

[Canuck 0]

Dude, you are so Slatonized...

If the Neos does what it says it does, then I think it has a perfect place in the market - jumpers who want to swoop (and I'm not talkin' Sabre 2 swoop), but aren't going to compete, and want a wing with less packing/opening hassles.

I remember a few years ago, Icarus had a protype floating around that had a semi-formed nose, and the word on the street was that the thing opened perfectly on heading 99 times out of 100. I assume that's what "heading control stability" is.

I love all this 5/10 year old technology talk. The shit's all made out of nylon and strings, so for that matter it's more like 40 year old technology (or whenever it was they quit using silk).

Canuck

[rhys 0]

>Dude, you are so Slatonized...

by that do you mean he is saying the same thing jim slaton has said?

Jim was made to fly a prototype semi crossbraced canopy similar to the neos and sacrificed valuable points in the competition. and they found the inflatable stabalisers to reduce drag much lesst than if they are not there at all.

I didn't start this thread to bicker about what canopy is best. I was wanting to know what you experienced equipment buffs think is the better way to produce more lift. Having a semi crossbraced design or having a stiffer less material on the top skin, I wouldn't know if the GLXxf has stabalisers or not but i would assume not?

Both canopies are in a similar category.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[SkymonkeyONE 4]

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Both canopies are in a similar category.

That is what PD said way back in the day when they stopped producing the Excallibur in favor of the Sabre. Riiiiight. We, the crossbraced-loving few of the time knew POSITIVELY that our Excalliburs were far superior parachutes when they were new. The ZP fabric of the Sabre made it start out as a "lesser" parachute than the Excal, but then become a better parachute after the Excal had about 400 jumps on it. That was our answer, straight from the horse's mouth. PD refused to sew more than the one, pink, prototype 135 ZP Excal (which Rixter Powell put thousands of jumps on) and we were left without crossbraced canopies again until JYRO introduced the original FX many years later. Thankfully, PD responded with the Velocity and others followed suit.

Yes, that was a bit of a ramble, but I will tell you that there is NO non-braced canopy that will outperform any braced canopy when flown by the same pilot. I would take that Neos anyday over the Sail Crossfire if I had a spot for one in my quiver. Just my opinion as a guy that has been doing this swooping thing for a while.

Jim talks a bunch of trash about the Neos as being "failed technology", but anyone with any memory capacity left will remember him highly praising the canopy when he was actually flying it. That GLS/GLX/whatever, I mean. We are talking revisionist history here.

[rhys 0]

so a hybrid cross brace doesn't work better than an all zp one then?

i think they do!

then why wouldn't a hybrid 9 cell fly better than an all zp 9cell?

sail cloth was available when the sabre was invented and paragliders were probably already using it. it wasn't thought of to use it for parachutes, probably because parachutes were too big at hte time so pack volume. would have been too much of an issue? it is proven the stiffer material aids lift and allows pilots to fly appropriate reserve parachutes without overloading them while using rediculously small main canopies!

what is the difference between the benifits(lift) of the sail and the 3 cross braced cells?

that is the question, i don't want to bring up angst between companies or people I just want to know.

but i guess no one would have test jumped both canopies (in the same size) to know i suppose.

also what is the pack volume difference with the two designs?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[piisfish 140]

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also what is the pack volume difference with the two designs?

The Neos 109 packs like something between a Crossfire2 119 and 129

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM