breaked approach how much higher then full flight

[airborne82nd 0]

I do half breaked approaches at 400 ft into a double front 180.

what happens when i do a full breaked approach do i have to start higher and what happens when i do a full flight approach can i do it lower.

trying to understand the mechanics here.


i have done more breaked and full flights when my set up wanst there but i am trying to adjust for my set up when at times i have to be full flight or half breaked.

thanks
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[trigger 0]

Not sure about the set up attitude for a full flight approach,as i,m sure you know,wl,canopy and pilot are just some of the factors which determine this
But imo a braked approach as you you described decreases riser pressure.

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[superstu 0]

are you planning on keeping your turn rate the same? i ask because if you do the same exact turn but only change your begining flight mode then i would GUESS (i'm not entirely sure) that you would start the turn around the same altitude, maybe a little higher.

HOWEVER, typically when someone starts in a full braked approach they will do a slower turn rate then someone starting in full flight, thus losing more altitude meaning one would need to start higher or they'll pound in.

from what i've seen and experienced, to get the same amount of power as i do in full-flight from a braked approached i need to start about 150-200' higher.

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[grega 0]

Hmm technicaly (i think ).

When you do a full flight approach (before the dive) the change in angle of attack is less and theoretiacly acceleration is somewhat slower, than when you do a braked approach, where you drop faster (accelerate more)

So in theory you'd probably have to start braked aproach a little higher.

And it's also easier to dive the canopy more (for longer time) after a braked approach so i'd say you have to start braked approach a little higher than full speed approach.

But that's only in theory, i'm not using neptune on swoops and it's hard to say if i'm starting braked approaches higher than at full flight approach. Just guessing really.

Also note that experience is different, since at braked approach you have more time to decide when you'll start the dive (because of slower speed), and aren't under such "pressure" as with full speed aproach.

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[AggieDave 6]

I like having this conversation (braked vs full flight) with the super-experience swooper crowd. The opinions vary widely, its something that the community of canopy pilots haven't quite figured out yet, where as there's a movement towards a the "toliet" or "funnel" turn and a lot of agreement tin that they feel like they're getting the best results with that type of turn.

Personally I've always felt like when I started in brakes, more then 1/4, that I'm too far under the nose when starting and I'm having to spend the first half of the turn simply chasing the speed I would have had if I had been at full flight. That when I turn from full flight I'm starting with more speed and am carrying more speed through my turn. I do fly the downwind portion of my patter in about 1/2 brakes to help with accuracy, though.

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[dharma1976 0]

I tend to fly my pattern in brakes and then usually towards the end not as much but then tap the breaks and reach up and while reaching up start the harness turn...

now heres the fun part

I start my 270 at 500 feetish at zephyrhills

I start my 270 at like 600-650 at the ranch

and yeah its the wider turn tightening up towards the bottom...

I do notice that if I come from more of a full flight state that my turn is quicker and definately takes less altitude...

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[BrianSGermain 1]

You will usually need to start higher if you are coming out of deep brakes.

This is because
1) The parachute requires time to recover from the surge (forward surge from the relief of brakes).
2) The surge itself will lose altitiude.
3) The front riser pressure will be lighter at the initiation of the dive when you are coming out of brakes, so you will get to a lower angle of attack in a shorter period of time.
4) There is a slight delay in our action from letting off the brakes to applying the front risers, and that time requires altitude.

How much higher is a variable based on several variables. Experiment at EXACTLY 3000 feet on several jumps. Do the full flight into dive three times as well as brakes into dive three times. That should give you a reasonable idea of how much altitide you need to allow for.

Be sure to use a digital altimeter that is a current and reliable design.

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[airborne82nd 0]

Thank you i have a great digital alti.

thanks again brian!!

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[BrianSGermain 1]

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Thank you i have a great digital alti.

thanks again brian!!

its an honor

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