neos vs others

[lildemmer 0]

I am wondering if anyone has put a good number of jumps under the icarus neos and how they feel about it in comparison to other braced canopies? I am currently flying an fx and am wondering how the neos compares to it and to other canopies. Thanks.
-John

[johnny1488 1]

Let me preempt this by saying I have worked for Icarus Canopies in the past, so I am pretty biased.

I think the Neos can hold its own with VXs and Velo's. It isn't designed to be in direct competition with those canopies. It will outperform your FX for sure. It opens better, dives more, turns faster and glides farther.
I have a 104 Neos and VX and chose to jump my Neos all the time. I used it for pondswoop this year and did better than I have on my VX.

If you want more indepth stuff, feel free to PM me.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[NWPoul 1]

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I have a 104 Neos and VX and chose to jump my Neos all the time. I used it for pondswoop this year and did better than I have on my VX.

If you want more indepth stuff, feel free to PM me.

Why not to share "more indepth stuff" to public?

I am also very interested in firsthand info about NEOS...
(As well as in actually used NEOS in 104-109 range, h-mm... will you going to sell your canopy in the near future?:) )
BTW, will you think of saling your neos in near future

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[deadbug 0]

Put a couple of jumps on the 109, wasen't overly impressed at that wingloading (1.9). My impression was that it felt like a barge. I'm sure if it was loaded up a bit more it would be a different canopy. I only put a couple of jumps on it so I did not get to get a good feel for it's total potential, but that was my first impression.

Doug

[CKSCUBA 0]

I dont know crap but my impressions from a non-expert.

It dove harder then the Crossfire2 and more then the katana. it had some over-steer and it was reactive.

I think its desinged for someone with a higher skill level.

i thought it would be an entry canopy into crossbraced but i was wrong. i loaded it 1.8.

the xaos 21 is much more easier to fly. the xaos 27 the same easy to fly when compared to the neos.

i felt it was a notch up in skill level then a fx, xaos 21 or 27.

the velo and the vx and especially the jvx are all super advanced in my opinion. i think the Neos is right under those in skill level requeired to fly.

i dont know how it performese compared to the others. i couldnt make the neos do too much just hopin and popin on it a few times.

just felt to much for me.

opening were like a crossfire though nice and ahhhh.

please if you work for the Neos people or not please post your impressions of its flight characteristics

chris

[johnny1488 1]

Ohh I'll share as much in depth stuff as you want, just didnt want it to seem like a big sales pitch.

If anyone has any questions about anything with the Neos, feel free to ask, I have been jumping mine for well over a year now and really like it.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[fr33flyr 0]

I jumped a neos for the first time on a video jump and it opened so hard it put me out of work for a week with a neck injury. I realize that any canopy can pop you once in awhile so I jumped it a few more times once I healed. The other jumps I put on it were nowhere near as hard but they were all brisk despite different things I tried while packing. It did always open on heading.

I usually jump a katana 107 and felt that the neos 99 was slower in full flight. The dive felt similar to me and the neos did seem to have more shutdown on the bottom end of my swoop.

I didn't think it was a bad canopy but it didn't have what I was looking for.

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[johnny1488 1]

As for the speeds, I dont have much input on a lightly loaded Neos as I load mine up pretty good.

As for the openings, I have never had a hard one after a freefly, rw or tracking jump. The only brisk one I have felt was at terminal at about 12k.

I am also a neat packer, but do nothing to the nose, slider or otherwise, just a straight neat packjob.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[NWPoul 1]

What do YOU think is an optimum WL range for NEOS?

i.e.
From which WL that canopy starts really fly (minimum WL which make sense)?
WL when it's starting to degrade it's performance's
Optimum WL?

Particulary choose between 109@2.0-2.1 and 104@2.1-2.2

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[CrazyL 0]

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Let me preempt this by saying I have worked for Icarus Canopies in the past, so I am pretty biased.

I think the Neos can hold its own with VXs and Velo's. It isn't designed to be in direct competition with those canopies. It will outperform your FX for sure. It opens better, dives more, turns faster and glides farther.
I have a 104 Neos and VX and chose to jump my Neos all the time. I used it for pondswoop this year and did better than I have on my VX.

If you want more indepth stuff, feel free to PM me.

So what did you do for icarus when you worked for them?

[CrazyL 0]

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As for the speeds, I dont have much input on a lightly loaded Neos as I load mine up pretty good.

As for the openings, I have never had a hard one after a freefly, rw or tracking jump. The only brisk one I have felt was at terminal at about 12k.

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The brisk opening at terminal at 12,000ft you mentioned was that the only 'brisk opening' you've had? Did you jump from over 13,500ft to make it to terminal by 12k? Do you use a different slider on your Neos than what is purchased with the Neos? Did you adjust your toggles to a different setting than what Icarus suggested?

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[NWPoul 1]

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...Did you adjust your toggles to a different setting than what Icarus suggested?

How it could affect opening??

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[CrazyL 0]

Sorry, my post was not only directed at the opening, it's about getting performance out of the canopy. If he's been jumping the Neos for a year and is a good pilot he will have 'dialed in' the canopy. He may have made changes to length of brakeline from factory and may have changed slider to RDS. Slider would make a difference. Length of brake to toggle would not affect the opening unless a brake fire occured.

[luis 0]

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how the neos compares to it and to other canopies

~200 jumps this year on Neos 104, loaded 1.9

Would agree with most of what is already mentioned:
- steep trim, dives a lot more then xfire, maybe a little more then katana;
- tends to "seach" but generally opens on heading;
- good range on rears;
- lots of oversteer on fronts;
- felt like it could be loaded more;
also:
- has slammed me once real hard (never again after I started packing more carefully )
- things get interesting quite fast in linetwists (one cutaway )

I ended up with a Velo96, so I would say the Neos did to me more or less what is advertised - transition to "real" crossbrace...although I also tried xaos21 and prefered Neos at similar wingloading.

[johnny1488 1]

when I started on the Neos 104 at 2.35, I thought it was too high, but now with more time on it, I think it flies super well and shuts down nice too.

Starting probably where the xfire2 drops off1.9-2.0.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[johnny1488 1]

everything is stock, and yes it has been the only harder opening I have felt.

And I do demos at events for Icarus, as well as PR during events such as the symposium.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[lildemmer 0]

sorry I have not been on here to get in on all the info I asked for....haha Anyway I really appreciate all the info. I am pretty much sold on the NEOS I have been trying to find one used but am not sure if that will happen. I also was wondering if anyone psycho packs the NEOS? I preffer it for my fx and for my xfire2 that I have had but had terrible openings with it when I was demoing a mamba so I am not sure if that was bad luck or if the different packing style made the difference. Anyway thanks again everyone for all the info. It is much appreicated.
-John

[CrazyL 0]

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everything is stock, and yes it has been the only harder opening I have felt.

And I do demos at events for Icarus, as well as PR during events such as the symposium.

did'nt you use an RDS system on that canopy before? If so, how'd that work out? Did it still open soft?