Jiggs 0 #1 August 14, 2009 Hey all, Does anyone know if the fabric of the sail cloth offered by icarus has changed? I recently picked up a new JVX 79 and it packs up unbeleviable large. I am talking about a 170 or so! I had previously borrowed a mates all sail (made a few years ago) and put a handful of jumps on it in my container. With that canopy, it would pack up something like a 135-150 and was not a drama to pack in an OJK. Packing this one up I end up with it overfilling the bag by at least 2-3 inches! So I am wondering if it will age a bit and have a smaller pack volume? Or is just that the sail material is now different and the volume has jumped up again? Any thoughts? Or experiences?"Don't blame malice for what stupidity can explain." "In our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart and in our despair, against our will comes wisdom" - Aeschylus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyn 0 #2 August 14, 2009 Yes http://www.canopypiloting.com/home.asp?ItemID=713&rcid=123&pcid=122&cid=123 I personally have not had a problem with any of my full sail (JVX 77, 83 and GLX120). Enjoy your new wing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NexGenSkydiver 0 #3 August 14, 2009 I have been jumping the newer sail material for about 300 jumps and I am packing an all sail 69 in a vector 316 as a back up rig, but my main rig is a mirage mx and I dont have any problem with the fit, they are just on the tight side in my vector, but comfortable with my mirage..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jiggs 0 #4 August 15, 2009 What containers do you pack the 77 amd 83 into? When did you get the canopy?"Don't blame malice for what stupidity can explain." "In our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart and in our despair, against our will comes wisdom" - Aeschylus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polarbear 1 #5 August 15, 2009 I bought freeflyn's 83 and had to get a J1K to pack it in to. It was a tick tight but not too bad. "Holy s*** that was f***in' cold!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyn 0 #6 August 18, 2009 Mirage M0, I got the 77 a couple of years ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meatbomb 0 #7 August 29, 2009 I just joined the all-sail JVX owners club, and my 99 is a snug fit into a 190 bag/container...--- Swoopert, CS-Aiiiiiii! Piccies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #8 August 30, 2009 QuoteI just joined the all-sail JVX owners club, and my 99 is a snug fit into a 190 bag/container... my early model 85 is a snug fit into a 150 bag/container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kamalasound 0 #9 September 1, 2009 I got an Old Sail 89 fits in a JAV TJNK New Sail 83 fits very veru tight in a TJNK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jiggs 0 #10 September 14, 2009 Wow - that 83 must be tight!!! Have now got the 79 into a 170ish bag. Seems to go okay, now all I need to do is get a big container! I borrowed an old 79 that fit into an OJK bag as a comparison. The canopy flies like a dream but packs like a nightmare!"Don't blame malice for what stupidity can explain." "In our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart and in our despair, against our will comes wisdom" - Aeschylus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newswooper 0 #11 September 14, 2009 I have a 170 bag for my old 94.. fits tight but ok my new needs size 280??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #12 January 24, 2010 Quote Wow - that 83 must be tight!!! Have now got the 79 into a 170ish bag. Seems to go okay, now all I need to do is get a big container! I borrowed an old 79 that fit into an OJK bag as a comparison. The canopy flies like a dream but packs like a nightmare! Wow? I just jumped an all sail JVX for the first time the other day, was amazed at the difference and even checked the linesets for a comparison, I have a JVXZP79 and the difference is astounding, there is no difference whatsoever in the design or lineset but the flight charactaristics were so different with just a change in material, it was kinda spooky! I have Vector V304 and the ZP79 is kinda mushy in there, a reasonable fit but a soft packjob. We put the Allsail79 (older sailcloth) in the tray in a dbag and it closed in the container quite well, I'm planning on getting a all sail74(2.5p/sqf) and using it in my V304 but now I'm gonna double check... Does anyone have a 70 something all sailJVX in a vector? I have seen the new material feels really nice, not dry like the old stuff, but real crispy too, it seems kinda like the same stuff but with a zp silicone type finish, and made in New Zealand too!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #13 January 24, 2010 you need to load them up. there is a used 69 sail for sale now in classifieds. maybe a good match for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyshimas 0 #14 January 24, 2010 I packed brand new all sail 79 into 170 bag(wings) and it was very tight. I was thinking of getting one but packing is just too much for me, velo will do it for now maybe comp velo later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jiggs 0 #15 January 24, 2010 New sail is different from the old sail cloth. It will start out much bulkier. On the old sail I have about 50 jumps (canopy probably had 500-600 jumps) - canopy would fit in a 135 bag, tight but no problems. New sail started out even more massive, but the volume seems to be settling down as the canopy ages. Over the last 100-200 jumps mine is getting easier to pack and I am shrinking the bag to suit. Edit to add: The canopy flies incredibly well! I love it; the power on the rears is amazing. I am using this as my main canopy (and for comp). I think it is worth the pack volume!"Don't blame malice for what stupidity can explain." "In our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart and in our despair, against our will comes wisdom" - Aeschylus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bes 0 #16 December 8, 2010 I also wonder if I can fit a 75 all sail into my V319. any comments? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NexGenSkydiver 0 #17 December 8, 2010 When I was jumping a jvx, I was able to pack an all sail jvx69 with the new sail material in a v316 and it was a snug fit, but last I heard the newest sail material isnt being sold yet, due to being put through testing. I would say you could fit the all sail jvx75 in a v319, but dont expect it to be fun everytime you go to pack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superstu 0 #18 December 8, 2010 i did a jump on Nick Batch's JVX 63 this year so i could compare it to my VC 71 and couldn't fit it in either my 316 or 319. i was shocked how big that thing packed upSlip Stream Air Sports Do not go softly, do not go quietly, never back down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #19 December 9, 2010 I just got my brand new JVX 79 All sail, I have a mirage m2 that fits my wingsuit canopy (safire2 149) perfect. I had to let out the closing loop 4cm to get a safe pin tension. I have no doubt after 20 or 30 jumps it will fit perfect though. -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bes 0 #20 December 9, 2010 seems like i'll be looking for a bigger container. thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jiggs 0 #21 December 9, 2010 Update to add: After about 300 jumps the canopy feels very similar to the old sail cloth canopy that I was using previously. Size is down to about a 135. Still is fantastic to fly!"Don't blame malice for what stupidity can explain." "In our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart and in our despair, against our will comes wisdom" - Aeschylus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frost 1 #22 December 13, 2010 QuoteAfter about 300 jumps the canopy feels very similar to the old sail cloth canopy that I was using previously How's the porosity? Have you done the good ol' suction test on the high wear areas (bridal attachment point, center tail section, etc.)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
