scottbre 0 #1 June 4, 2002 Does anyone know of good websites that have diagrams of different RW formations along with their names? The bigger the selection the better, but I just haven't been able to find anything very useful along this line.Thanks in advance. I live on the wrong coast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #2 June 4, 2002 they should have the ipc dive pools at omniskore.com or you can dl the comp manual from the uspa web. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 June 4, 2002 Go HERE.OmniSkore is perhaps the best site for RW information on the entire web.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #4 June 4, 2002 Perhaps? whats this perhaps poop...I would say 'probably the best site on the web' (to paraphrase Carlsberg)CyaDGravity Rat # 37Remember, we can do everything right, and still get hurt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 June 4, 2002 Well, I have to say perhaps only because it's not official in any way shape or form.I wish the USPA would just turn over all RW to the Wagners, but that ain't going to happen any more than the other alternative of handing it over to Kurt Gaebel. So, as long as the USPA is in charge of RW, then ya gotta go to the source for all the "official" information (even if t1 and t2 do mirror it on their site).quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #6 June 4, 2002 "So, as long as the USPA is in charge of RW"You gotta forgive Johnny foreigner here, but isn't the FAI / IPC 'in charge' of this.I was under the impression that the various national organisations govern their sports internally, but will generally comply with FAI / IPC over things like pool / rule changes etc.I may be wrong as I have failing (nevertheless pleasant But I agree, Kurt, and the Wagners would be great at managing this.CyaDGravity Rat # 37Remember, we can do everything right, and still get hurt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 June 4, 2002 QuoteYou gotta forgive Johnny foreigner here, but isn't the FAI / IPC 'in charge' of this.Well, yes, at the international level you're absolutely correct, but there are changes in the rules from country to country depending on various factors. For instance according to the FAI / IPC video cameras are PAL, but that just isn't the way it's done here in the U.S. unless it's for a World Meet or World Air Games.Beyond that, in the U.S. we have at least one RW competition that isn't even covered by the FAI / IPC -- 10-way.So, yes, I was being a bit, um, parochial in my comments, but the original poster is from the U.S.Please forgive me.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #8 June 4, 2002 "Please forgive me."I don't see any need to forgive you, we are just discussing things...So....Does Kurt run the FSL, TSL meets on an unnofficial basis, or are they 'officially' sanctioned by the USPA type of thing?I'm thinking along the lines of video type meets for freeflying, similar to the 'unofficial' TSL and FSL style comps, mebbe even running video meets for FFers back in the UK next year....CyaDGravity Rat # 37Remember, we can do everything right, and still get hurt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 June 4, 2002 No, Kurt and the NSL are entirely separate from the USPA. In fact, he has a couple of competition classes that don't match up with the USPA competition classes, so I'm not exactly sure what purpose they serve other than just getting more people competing and handing out more medals. In general though, the NSL follows the USPA rules, which as previously mentioned, are adapted from the FAI / IPC rules.I think that any type of meet a good idea, but ultimately for it to be meaningful, I think they should build toward some year-end championship goal. I think it would be great if the NSL meets qualified teams for the Nationals, but since the two have nothing to do with one another . . . that ain't going to happen soon.An artistic (FF, SS, ect.) video meet would be a cool thing, but obviously you then have to give compulsory rounds or something otherwise you'd end up with folks cheating by showing off a tape made two months ago during a practice session. Heck, even with compulsory rounds it would be sketchy.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjasantos 0 #10 June 4, 2002 Hi,I'll take the opportunity to advertise my web site and my 4-Way team's Web page (Matrix FS).Have a look at:http://www.mariosantos.com/uk_us/matrix.htm... and the information you are looking for is at:http://www.mariosantos.com/uk_us/continuity.htm... and from there follow the links (every Random and Block with the most used combinations)...There is also a series of Formation Skydiving related articles, with a lot of Airspeed influence.Hope this suits your request!Blue Skies!Mario SantosMatrix FS (Portugal) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #11 June 4, 2002 ahhhh, but Kurt does have a regional playoffs and championship as part of the NSL.... last year the championships were part of Skyquest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 June 4, 2002 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but where do the players go from there? Do they get picked to represent the U.S. in international competition? To me it's all too messy.quadehttp://futurecam.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #13 June 5, 2002 I agree it is, but Kurt's vision is to have the NSL go globally. there are currently leagues overseas, although Im not sure the particpation level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #14 June 5, 2002 QuoteI think that any type of meet a good idea, but ultimately for it to be meaningful, I think they should build toward some year-end championship goal. I think it would be great if the NSL meets qualified teams for the NationalsI believe that this is Kurt's ultimate goal. To replace USPA's format with his own, including league competitions to qualify for our U.S. Nationals and the progession to International competitions.Go to the NSL web site and click on the World League tab to review Kurt's vision.ltdiver____________________________________________LightDiverCam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smiles 0 #15 June 5, 2002 2nd edition "Freefalling Together" 1has 2 way to 20 way (Editions Para-Graphe 1992)I have found it very useful over the years.I miss RW formations--big time--but I keep dreaming!Play alot in Flash, so working on graphic animation of some dives and canopy flight.http://members.shaw.ca/idgraphics/pinwheel.htmlIf you link to this page- (52-way pinwheel in production...) scroll down abit- and wait to watch dive from begining- It is a puzzel to me yet and I will complete it eventually with flight path of divers docking- including break off and tracking.Freefly page has some basic animation of graphics also.Smiles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #16 June 5, 2002 Nearly all of the replies have related to COMPETITION RW formations. The question didn't limit it to competition. There's a lot moreto FS (RW) than competition. I have been on some really neat 9 ways and 15 ways and 21 ways, for example, and you won't find them on Omniskore or in the USPA Competition Manual. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harryskydives 0 #17 February 12, 2003 Quote Yeah, yeah, yeah, but where do the players go from there? Do they get picked to represent the U.S. in international competition? To me it's all too messy. Hey Paul: I was surfing some old posts. The USPA puts on ONE rw meet a year. and they are rained out ever 3rd or so year. The Nsl is organizing 4-6 meets in 20 or so regions. Not every one is sponsored or can afford to travel internationaly or even to the other side of the country to do some meets. WIth the NSL meet draw friday night it seems like you are competing with the other teams across the country. Much fun. PS your web site rules Don't run out of altitude and experience at the same time... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 February 12, 2003 Well, I'll agree that Kurt and the NSL have done soem pretty wonderful stuff. However, I do not like the idea of the selection for U.S. representation to world meets being hijacked from the founding organization.What I would propose -- well, what I would propose would probably get laughed off the planet, but anyway . . . you get the idea.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #19 February 12, 2003 All right, let's hear your proposal.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dom 0 #20 March 6, 2003 Scott, Here is another place I find usefull. Hope it helps. http://www.divemaker.com/cdm/cdm/dp4randomlup.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #21 March 6, 2003 Clicky Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dom 0 #22 March 6, 2003 Yeah, Clickies make you look much more high tech I will go and practice on other boards. Thx LadyS & Blue Skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyflwr 0 #23 May 6, 2003 I've been trying to locate a copy of "Freefalling Together I" with no luck! Any suggestions?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mischo 0 #24 May 7, 2003 Hey Brother, Though I am not a guru of FS, I have found the Motion coach program very helpful, you can get it through omniskore. That in conjunction with Airspeed 99, GK 2002, Marios' web site, countless hours of studying, you should get fairly comfortable with the dive pool. I know that some of the blocks have changed, as well as some of the randoms, but it helps a whole lot better than the very sterile diagrams that the IPC puts out. I do not think thats all you need but it is a start. Nothing can replace a good human coach. Good Luck, Mish P.S. Airspeeds CD ROM is also awesome. If there are any I left out I am sure someone will waste no time in correcting me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #25 May 7, 2003 QuoteHey Brother, Though I am not a guru of FS, I have found the Motion coach program very helpful, you can get it through omniskore. That in conjunction with Airspeed 99, GK 2002, Marios' web site, countless hours of studying, you should get fairly comfortable with the dive pool. I know that some of the blocks have changed, as well as some of the randoms, but it helps a whole lot better than the very sterile diagrams that the IPC puts out. I do not think thats all you need but it is a start. Nothing can replace a good human coach. Good Luck, Mish P.S. Airspeeds CD ROM is also awesome. If there are any I left out I am sure someone will waste no time in correcting me. If I recall correctly, Freefalling Together, which is what he asked about, has rather more in it than just the IPC dive pool.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
