phrog12 0 #1 October 14, 2002 any good articles or pages for mantis body position info?? "Do or Do not there is no try" Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 October 14, 2002 www.skydivemag.com did an article on this a while ago.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 26 #3 October 17, 2002 Some info here.Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjasantos 0 #4 October 23, 2002 Hi, Sorry for the self-advertising but I've got 2 pictures of myself (from above and at level), taken from our 4-Way team's cameraflyer video coverage... They're exactly at the top (the 2 in the middle) of the opening page in my web site: http://www.mariosantos.com/. This is also called "transition position", used a lot in Formation Skydiving. These fotos of myself are not models for this position, as each skydiver has his/her own peculiarity while doing it, but it should become natural during transitions between formations. Any way, this skill about body position is something usually covered during tunnel camps... of course, you can also train it while skydiving but take a camera flyer with you... Hope the images help you in some way! You're welcome to have a visit at our 4-Way Team (Matrix FS) web pages: http://www.mariosantos.com/uk_us/matrix.htm. Blue Skies! ------------------------------ ----------------------------- Mario Santos Portugal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BikerBabe 0 #5 October 23, 2002 Wise words from my team's coach: "Fly whatever body position you need to fly to get where you need to go or do what you need to do. If it's the boxman...great! If it's the transition position, great, too. Be flexible!" Ok, well, there were a few more "adult" words in there when he said it, but you get the gist.Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjasantos 0 #6 October 23, 2002 Quote "Fly whatever body position you need to fly to get where you need to go or do what you need to do. If it's the boxman...great! If it's the transition position, great, too. Be flexible!" Hi, That's exactly correct! This mantis is called also transition position, because that is not your flying posiition all the time... it's exactly a transition position! Otherwise, would be as inflexible as the box one... Just to "colorize" this, I attach 6 very recent photos of my 4-way team training jumps (taken last October 5 and 19, 2002)... where you can see that we are not using it all the time, but only when it makes your flight more efficient... Hope you like them! Blue Skies! ------------------------------ ----------------------------- Mario Santos Portugal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjasantos 0 #7 October 24, 2002 These are other good articles about the subject: ---------- Advancing to the "Transition Position", by Craig Buxton It is published in the "Skydiving - Parachuting Newsmagazine", Issue #206 (September 1998), Pages 16 & 19. ---------- Flying to the Top (Tips from the Pros - Formation Skydiving), by Joe Trinko It is published in the "Parachutist", October 1998 Issue, Pages 26, 27 & 29. ---------- Blue Skies! ------------------------------ ----------------------------- Mario Santos Portugal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #8 October 24, 2002 Excellent pics showing a lot of variations of the body position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #9 October 24, 2002 Quote These are other good articles about the subject: Sorry Mario, you're just not doing enough research or contributing enough constructive feedback to assist this person. Only two articles from 1998?! Seriously, great pictures and nice web-site too... Blues..So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjasantos 0 #10 October 24, 2002 Quote Excellent pics showing a lot of variations of the body position. Thanks! ... and Blue Skies! ------------------------------ ----------------------------- Mario Santos Portugal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjasantos 0 #11 October 24, 2002 Quote Sorry Mario, you're just not doing enough research or contributing enough constructive feedback to assist this person. Only two articles from 1998?! Well Max... Hummm, I've just started my research in that year of 1998... but no problem, I'm almost approaching the year of 2002... OK, you're just kidding... Now seriously: those articles are 4 years old, but still current! Besides the fact that these resources are widely known around the world and even for those who are not subscribers, won't be difficult to get those issues! In the Internet, we can find many things about this subject, but most of the times "one image is better than a thousand words"! Let me add just a short complement: at http://www.humanflight.com/downloads/manuals/Coachrating.pdf, which is the web site for the USPA Instructional Rating Manual of the "Coach Rating Course", dated March 2002 (this resource is not an oudated one... , on Chapter 6. Group Freefall Skills Training, page 13, mentions: Quote 3. Docking a. The more advanced “mantis” position improves performance when transitioning smaller formations with more experienced jumpers but may not be the best choice for beginners. b. At this point in the jumper’s training, work with the more neutral position learned and practiced during Categories A-E. Quote Seriously, great pictures and nice web-site too... Blues.. Thanks and... Blue Skies! ------------------------------ ----------------------------- Mario Santos Portugal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #12 October 24, 2002 Quote ..... but most of the times "one image is better than a thousand words" I agree 100%. Still very young in the sport, I am on a sharp learning curve. It has been visualization that has been helping 75% of the time. I'm at the point where I am starting to get a better grasp on what some of these body positions feel like, during a point, transition, block move, etc. Then I crave feedback during the de-brief...I don't think there are any serious bad habits. The tunnel will tell this weekend! Blue Skies!So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phrog12 0 #13 October 24, 2002 Hey guys thanks for all your helpful input. The reason I was asking the ?. I've nver heard that much about the mantis position and was wondering if it was better than the box. Majasantos thank again and great website. If anyone comes across anymore info please post. "Do or Do not there is no try" Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobsoutar 0 #14 October 25, 2002 Try to learn them both. Mantis is great for sequential and the box is useful for big ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,033 #15 October 25, 2002 Let's not forget that there is more to RW than 4-way sequential. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #16 October 28, 2002 Quote Let's not forget that there is more to RW than 4-way sequential. yeah, there's 8 and 16 way sequential! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #17 October 28, 2002 And big-ways! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #18 October 28, 2002 Quote And big-ways! right on -- big way sequential!!!! I guess 10 way is the only discipline where you dont' have to turn points! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,033 #19 October 28, 2002 Quote Quote And big-ways! right on -- big way sequential!!!! I guess 10 way is the only discipline where you dont' have to turn points! Sure you don't have to, but you can if you want to. At Nationals this year most teams did stunts after the 5 second hold - Deguello turned pieces, Airspeed went hybrid, and STL spun every formation until it flew apart. Isn't freedom of choice a great thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjasantos 0 #20 October 28, 2002 Hey Billy! I've noticed that your Home DZ is Eloy! You're a lucky one! There you have the Airspeed Team, one of the best all around the World! Be there and learn from them as much as you can! They are great! Here you have some awesome pics of a student (?) and current or former Airspeed Team Members performing "mantis position" during Tunnel Camps held recently (September and October 2002) at SkyVenture (Orlando, FL). Jack Jefferies http://www.tunnelcamp.com/camp_pics/31_32/31_32_146.jpg http://www.tunnelcamp.com/camp_pics/31_32/31_32_151.jpg http://www.tunnelcamp.com/camp_pics/31_32/31_32_159.jpg Mark Kirkby http://www.tunnelcamp.com/camp_pics/31_32/31_32_207.jpg A Student (unknown identity) http://www.tunnelcamp.com/camp_pics/31_32/31_32_221.jpg Christopher Irwin http://www.tunnelcamp.com/camp_pics/33_34/33_34_048.jpg http://www.tunnelcamp.com/camp_pics/33_34/33_34_059.jpg Blue Skies! ------------------------------ ----------------------------- Mario Santos Portugal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #21 October 29, 2002 well, if you're around Deland, you can check out the current World Cup gold medalists.... http://www.delandmajik.com/gallery/g_05.html this is actually an excellent shot of Gary and Doug in the tunnel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phrog12 0 #22 October 29, 2002 The Airspeed guys are great. I got a couple coach jumps from one of the Airspeed guys and he was talking about the Mantis position. I Talked to him about it alittle. Just wanted to get more input before trying. I'm going to try it this weekend. I don't do much RW work, but would like to try this position. Never know this might turn me around from being a freefly freak!!!! "Do or Do not there is no try" Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drenaline 0 #23 October 30, 2002 QuoteIf anyone comes across anymore info please post. Try to get the Body Pilot in Command video, its a very good video that talks about the different types of body position and there meanings. The mantis is a position were you reduce stability making it better for faster movements, one way to reduce stability is to put your arms closer to you. Try doing a 360° turn in normal way, then try doing a 360° turn with the arms near your body (put your hands near your face or chest) and you will see how much speed you will get without an effort, at first it will be hard to stop the turn but after a while practicing it you will conquer it. One of the reason its called transition is cause of the instability that gives, you get grips in the box position, switch to mantis turn then back to box for grips. Try to watch some 4-way videos and you will see what am talking about. HISPA 21 www.panamafreefall.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
