poohbeer 0 #1 September 8, 2003 Ok, I'm new at this stuff and I'm reading a lot on the world chamionships in Gap but I don't realy understand any of the competitions. Freestyle they need to do some figurse in the air so much I understand, but has it got any official site were I can read what figures are worth how many points and so? RW: http://www.omniskore.com/comp/2003/WPC/teams_pics/draw_4.htm I guess are the formations each team needs to do, but I hear stuff +20 points where there are only 9 formations apparently with round 1 and that's even counting doubles! What's up with this? Also, there are letters and numbers under each round. ex.: "Round 1: 1 11 12", "Round 2: M J E 10", ... What are these letters? What's a 'bust'? If it's simply not scoring, why is 2 points being reducted for it? (or do I read the flemish site not correctly) CReW (CF): What's the difference between sequential, rotation and speed? http://www.omniskore.com/comp/2003/WPC/teams_pics/draw_5.htm Same stuff here, what the hell are those numbers and letters with each round? Freefly and skysurf, anywhere where they got pictures with these names of the 'moves'? On the Flemish parachuting league site I also read a story about Airspeed interrupting their briefing to give chase to a funflag which they needed to steal from the Canadians. Seeing that Mark Kirkby with a broken nose was going at it like a wild bore makes mee believe there is quite a history behind this fun flag. What the history is, is not explained on the Belgian (Flemish) site unfortunatly. I think I've got all my questions asked, but more are bound to follow ------- SIGNATURE BELOW ------- Complete newbie at skydiving, so be critical about what I say!! "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 September 8, 2003 I'll leave the other disciplines to other folks that know more about them but as for RW . . . Quote RW: http://www.omniskore.com/comp/2003/WPC/teams_pics/draw_4.htm I guess are the formations each team needs to do, but I hear stuff +20 points where there are only 9 formations apparently with round 1 and that's even counting doubles! What's up with this? Also, there are letters and numbers under each round. ex.: "Round 1: 1 11 12", "Round 2: M J E 10", ... What are these letters? What's a 'bust'? If it's simply not scoring, why is 2 points being reducted for it? (or do I read the flemish site not correctly) Before competition begins there is a "draw" where the judges determine what skydives the teams have to perform. Each different formation in the "dive pool" is given either a letter or number. Lettered formations are "randoms" -- single formations that can basically be built in any way the team chooses (any team member in any position as long as it looks right). Numbered formations are "blocks" -- the first point of a block could be considered a random but the way the team gets to the second point of the block has to be performed in a certain way. In the "old days" they would have placed the formation numbers and letter into a container and pulled each out until they had the required number of points per round. This is normally done by computer now. In addition to a specific sequence of formations, there is also a time limit. If the team completes the sequence in less than the limited time, they simply start again from the "top of the page" and continue the sequence until time runs out. Team can have points denied to them for various reasons and can also have a penalty point taken away as well. The penalty point is to discourage people from simply blowing off a particularly difficult block -- otherwise, they would just skip it and move on to the next point. For a more complete explanation, go to http://uspa.org/publications/manuals.htm and look at the Skydiver's Competition Manual.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poohbeer 0 #3 September 8, 2003 Ok, great explanation, But if I understand correctly a block is 1 formation but it takes several points. How's that? Also, take round 2, how do I know what formations is the block (10) and which are the randoms (M, J, E)? I also count more formations (drawings) than there are letters + numbers? Confusing it is! Never mind this, the USPA manual is quite clear. The numbers and letters are for know formations apparently. You folks probably know them all by haert and that's why it doesn't say block xx (number) starts here and end here. ------- SIGNATURE BELOW ------- Complete newbie at skydiving, so be critical about what I say!! "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #4 September 8, 2003 A block is a numbered formation in the draw. A block is worth 2 points (formation-prescribed transition-formation) Random formations are assigned letters in the draw. Go to omniskore.com or skyleague.com and look up the IPC Dive Pool. That will show you what the different blocks and random formations are. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stacy 0 #5 September 8, 2003 kinda hard to explain in writing, text, but i'll try. Blocks are sequences of formations. THey begin with one formation, there is what is called an "inter" which is a required move or separation between the team members, and the close which is the last picture. If you are looking at the dive tables you will see 3 images for each block (1st is the formation1, then the inter, then the close). 2 points are given for each block. teams can lose points if the inter is not performed correctly, and/or the correct separation is not displayed CLEARLY on the video. This is one reason a lot of the competitive teams wear white gloves/dark suits, it just shows separation better. Randoms are simply one formation. that's it. build it and go. hope this helps. __ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arlo 0 #6 September 8, 2003 history of the Fun Flag.... www.omniskore.com/comp/2001/wag/tidbits_fun_flag.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #7 September 9, 2003 For CReW competition it's explained thus: Sequential: Very much like RW/FS...in that there is a draw from the 'dive pool' of formations that must be done in sequence in a given time....repeat formations (in order) when you have completed the first series. Rotation: 4 competitors, under canopy (of course) make a 4-way stack. When the stack is complete, the top canopy pilot releases the canopy below him/her and maneuvers down to the bottom slot. As soon as that attachment is made, the now new top man/woman can rotate to the bottom of the stack. Each rotation is a point. It too is timed and the most rotations done for the event wins. Speed: 8 canopies deployed out of the plane (think hop and pop as quickly as you can). A selected formation is built with the canopies and when the last person docks, the time stops. The team with the fastest time total at the end of the event wins. It was pure excitement to see the World Record in Rotation broken by the Russian team in Eloy back in 1998! They broke their own record in 1999...and then again in 2000!! No wonder they lead that discipline! (not enough to get me to dive with them, though!! Scarey stuff! ) ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
