A bust or Not?

[armageddon 0]

For those of you with more competition experience I have a question. During a vertical transition "lets say Stardian Stardian" if the top half of the vertical places a hand on the rig of the guy below him as he passes through, Is this a bust?

[RozeAY 0]

No, this is not a bust. You are always allowed to touch the other piece during a block inter. You are not, however, allowed to touch your own piece with your free hand (i.e. other than designated grips). So during Stardian, you can touch the guy below you in the other piece, but you can't touch point with you right hand (if you're outside center).

[FeFe 0]

Nope.
"3.3.6. Contact or grips are allowed between subgroups during the inter."
IPC Competition Rules for FS 2004

[rehmwa 2]

Actually, when Majik started a couple years ago, I saw the OC tap the pack of the IC on the way over. I tried it and think it's a great way for me to keep the vertical spacing consistent. I have no idea why those guys did it then, but I learned a ton from it.

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[armageddon 0]

Ok thanks. I was hoping this wasn't a bust because I like being able to push off as I go over to keep it close.

[harryskydives 0]

It is not a bust to touch the other piece. But it can become a bad habit. especially if your touching becomes pushing or stopping to the other piece. Fly your self.

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[dgskydive 0]

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But it can become a bad habit. especially if your touching becomes pushing or stopping to the other piece. Fly your self. Cool

I agree. I used to like to put my hand on IC as I went over. Then I started to notice that I was feeling like I had to touch him. That lead to other problems such as pushing the IC down farther then need be and it made it much harder to close the block. Now I fight the urge to touch him unless I need to (not high enough). they seem to close better (at least for us) when we do it without contact. It allows the IC to be able to get big and get back up a bit quicker and make his catch.

Dom

[sdctlc 0]

One thing about touching the other peice is that before you can have incidential contact between peices you have to have a clear separation of the peices. Using Comp - Box as an example, if you jsut switched grips as you turned the to peices with no separation or with out showing a separation between the two subgroups that is, as I understand it would be a bust......

Scott C.

"He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!"

[darkwing 5]

I don't see the ambiguity in FeFe's rules quote that allows for contact. Could someone please fill me in. It is clear to me that contact is common in competition, I just don't see the slack in the rules. Has everyone, including the judges decided to ignore it? Or is the rule quoted by FeFe no longer in force?

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[Ron 10]

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I don't see the ambiguity in FeFe's rules quote that allows for contact. Could someone please fill me in. It is clear to me that contact is common in competition, I just don't see the slack in the rules. Has everyone, including the judges decided to ignore it? Or is the rule quoted by FeFe no longer in force?

The rule is in force....The judges don't ignore it.

Contact between sub groups is OK.....As I think Allison wrote so well (RoseAy).

The problem with some cases such as compbox or danish T- murphy is that at some point you HAVE TO SHOW SEPERATION.

Once you show seperation you can touch the other group....If you never show seperation it is a bust due to not showing seperation.

Was that clear?

Yes I am a competitor and a judge.

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