Javelin Odyssey Laterals..any problems?

[Spinetto 0]

I did a search on this and didn't find anything so here goes....

A few months after the Odysseys started getting enough use to hear feedback on them, I was hearing some things about them that made me cautious about buying one. I thought I'd wait longer to hear more but haven't.
Some people were saying that the laterals were causing some problems like on a hard opening they would cut into your ribs and cause bruising and discomfort.
Also some jumpers were concerned about the possibility of a riser becoming caught in the place between the lateral webbing and the skydivers back. This wouldn't be much of a problem if it were a main riser as the main containor would be empty and wouldn't cause a snag but if the main was still in the bag and a reserve riser got caught in there......??

Has anybody heard any more or have personal experience?
I'm ready to buy a new rig and am keen to find out if these subjects have been discussed recently.

CM

[johnny1488 1]

I have close to 400 jumps on my odyssey and not a single problem. So comfortable I dont know its there. Never and discomfort from the latterals. (it was cut for me though, I'd be leary of buying used)When I bought mine my dealer mentioned the posibility of getting a line snagged in the corner but I havent done any docking yet. Absolutly no drawbacks to this rig.

Johnny
--"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!"
Mike Rome

[skygod7777 0]

hell, just don't pack hard openings

no, i haven't heard this, but i can't see it being too much of a problem if the rig fits ya right.

later

[TitaniumLegs 8]

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hell, just don't pack hard openings

Hard openings have nothing to do with it.
Consider this:
Dirt dart (non-altitude aware freeflyer) goes low and has a CYPRES fire wearing his Odyssey. Reserve goes which way? Past his feet. That means the risers are next to or around the main container. You think there's a chance a riser could snag in that corner?
If the main was out it's much less likely since the main in the container is what makes it keeps its shape, but it's still possible.
Now remember that it was a CYPRES fire in this hypothetical situation, so the guy's low and doesn't have much time to correct the spin he's in if only one riser or one side is caught.

I saw something similar to this in 92 or 93 when an IAD student came off the Cessna in a turn and managed to get a main riser caught under the corner of the reserve container. He cut away, fired the reserve, which went through the risers of the main. The main rode up the lines of the reserve and choked it off and down he came.

He lived, but I don't think he ever walked again.

(>o|-<

If you don't believe me, ask me.

[skygod7777 0]

well first of all, it was supposed to be a joke, ya know, haha

but please explain something to me, how are you going to get your reserve risers past the bottom of you container to catch on a corner. they aren't that long dude. i can see maybe lines or something, but they would clear.

later

[nacmacfeegle 0]

I'm with Kelly on this one.
I can't see it happening, best way is to avoid this scenario altogether is by getting altitude aware.
A Cypres activation whilst doing your high speed H/D is big threat, one you should try and avoid.
Buy an audible.

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[JGarcia 0]

No personal experience here, but have <> of several people getting broken ribs from these kind of laterals as a result of hard openings.

--Jairo

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[Professor 0]

Really? Shouldn't the leg straps keep you from being able to shift that much in the harness? I've had my odyssey for about 250 jumps, about 50 of which were under a very hard opening jedei, and never came away with any rib or torso injuries. Tons of neck pain, but no rib stuff. Mine was cut for me though.

edit: I just thought of this: dumping on your side w/ a hard opening canopy could put pressure on your floating ribs. So if you have a hard opening canopy and consistantly dump unstable , get something else.

blues.

Ted
Like a giddy school girl.

[mewing120 0]

Talked to someone who has an odyssey and doesn't like it because of the laterals. He said that maybe on a bigger rig (his was an NJ) it would be advantagous, but the laterals always dug into his ribs. Should be getting mine in a few weeks though, so I hope this isn't the case.

Ora Vivo

[TitaniumLegs 8]

OK, so the lines catch. Same result.

I also agree with being alt aware, obviously, but I've seen at least three videos showing 5 people getting dumped out head down by their CYPRES.

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I've seen enough "unlikely" shit happen. Time will tell.

Peter

(>o|-<

If you don't believe me, ask me.

[SkySlut 0]

I bought a new odyssey cut for me and I have a second one that I got used...both of them are fine...no pain or discomfort whatsoever.

[USPA 0]

Hi,

I've made about 150 jumps on my Jav odyssey;

1) Very comfortable (but this is my first new rig (instead of second hand)
2) Under canopy very comfortable as long as I keep the rings on my hip when I tighten my legbands (I know the rings should be on my hips, but on my rig I have to "activly" keep them in place)
3) 1 hard opening, couldn't jump for 3 days, but that was caused by the camera gear on my head (neck injury)
4) The toggles had to be modified because the slider would release them. This occured on mine and another rig. Both velcroless triple riser. It is solved by removing the stiching around the toggle grommet. (I still don't like the idea that my toggles come lose so easily btw)
5) I have pull-out and the bridle between the handle and pin is way too long (especially when you use camera wings) I had it shorten. (btw I also modified it so it would have a trolley effect on it (courtesy of Henny Wiggers (www.parashoot.nl))

It's a good rig, but it's not perfect, watch out for these kind of things on rigs. I'm not sure if my next rig will be a javelin also... (But I'm more and more falling in love with another rig, of wich i jumped the "2" version earlier )

The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die...

[Watcher 0]

My Odyssey is an RS, Bought used from Sunpath. It now fits perfectly (I had a small growth spurt and it all of the sudden fit perfect). I tried on a C-17 ( I wear an 18) and the laterals were shorter than my own so it dug in alittle and felt funky. So i guess I'm saying if it fits you, then they are wonderful, if it doesn't fit, like any other rig, its not going to feel right.

Jonathan Bartlett
D-24876
AFF-I

[apoil 0]

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Dirt dart (non-altitude aware freeflyer) goes low and has a CYPRES fire wearing his Odyssey. Reserve goes which way? Past his feet. That means the risers are next to or around the main container.

If the possibility of a CYPRES fire is affecting your choice of gear, you might want to do us all a favor and get out of the sport.

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You think there's a chance a riser could snag in that corner?

Not much. Have you actually looked at one? There's really nowhere for anything to snag.

[TitaniumLegs 8]

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If the possibility of a CYPRES fire is affecting your choice of gear, you might want to do us all a favor and get out of the sport.

It's not affecting my choice of gear. The TJN (non-Odyssey) I have is just fine. But then, I'm unlikely to be in that situation because I don't freefly.
Do you really want to turn this into a CYPRES debate?

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You think there's a chance a riser could snag in that corner?

Not much. Have you actually looked at one? There's really nowhere for anything to snag.

Yup. Tried 'em on and all. Have you? There are two massive exposed corners to catch on. A whole lot more protruding than there was on the reserve container snag I witnessed.
Look closely at the bottom of the main container while it's packed and somebody is wearing it and think about it. Grab an extra set of risers or a canopy and hook it up and see how easy it is to run the risers or lines under that corner. Now have the jumper lie on their side, with the snagged side down. Even if it doesn't stay that way, imagine the effect it will have on reserve deployment.
For this to happen, the following conditions have to exist.
1. Jumper head-down, maybe slightly on their back.
2. Main not deployed.
3. Reserve fire. (CYPRES fire or D-ring snag)
(4.) For it to really catch, he may have to tip to one side.

So, yeah, I think it's pretty unlikely, but it's certainly possible. I'd love to be wrong.

Peter

(>o|-<

If you don't believe me, ask me.

[apoil 0]

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For this to happen, the following conditions have to exist.
1. Jumper head-down, maybe slightly on their back.
2. Main not deployed.
3. Reserve fire. (CYPRES fire or D-ring snag)
(4.) For it to really catch, he may have to tip to one side.

So, yeah, I think it's pretty unlikely, but it's certainly possible. I'd love to be wrong.

Again, I don't think it makes sense to make purchasing decisions about the gear you will jump every day, probably for a thousand jumps without incident, based on this highly unlikely combination of events.

[aufreefly 0]

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Again, I don't think it makes sense to make purchasing decisions about the gear you will jump every day, probably for a thousand jumps without incident, based on this highly unlikely combination of events.

By that logic if you are an expierienced jumper who is aware of what is going on then you don't need a CYPRES. IMO anyone who skydives should consider every possibility, and if there is an alternative that would make you safer, then you should consider it.

I see you have a CYPRES, have you used it? If the answer is no, then why do you need it?