weights or clamps? (For reserve packing)

[Rdutch 0]

Im learning how to pack reserves, and the first two attempts was without packing weights (too eager to wait so I practiced at home a few times). All I ended up with was an extremely sloppy, ugly pack job. So the next day I go over it a few time's with help and weight's and after a few time's I finally produced an impressively neat pack job (took forever). But I wanted some more practice and all I could find to take home with me was a set of packing clamps. Its a lot harder to pack with clamps or so it seem's. Im sure it cant be that much different, Am I doing something wrong? How do you prefer to pack? Weight's or clamp's? Any hint's tip's will also be much appreciated.

I quess this can also be answered for Base pack jobs also.

Ray
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[rushmc 23]

I will sometimes use both depending on the pack type and how well the canopy behaves.

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[councilman24 37]

None of the reserve packing demo's by manufacturers I've watched during 7 of the last 8 rigger conferences/International parachute symposia have used clamps. One key is not only having weights, but having heavy enough weights. My 1 lb weight are only useful while flaking rounds. I have a variety of 2, 3, and 5 pound weight. Get some shot, cordura, webbing and start sewing. One rigger I know using clean deburred lengths of chain for weights. Another had steel bar stock 2" thick welded together with a handle and padded.

I actually do use a pair of clamps some times. But better technique can eliminate their use. I use them for bags with reserve bag flaps that don't cover the entire mouth of the bag. I actually use them to clamp the s folds together, close the bag, and then remove them.

I watched BASE pack jobs using clamps. I don't do that stuff. I think one consideration is the BASE guys not wanting to lug weights around.

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[PhreeZone 20]

I use clamps only since I have them and I don't have weights of my own yet. I've used both and when I make my weights I'm going to add long streamers onto them since it seems way to easy to have a 1 pound weight get rolled into a packjob. I use 3 and 5 pound ones when I've got them availble. The issue with the clamps I have is that the plastic coating on the end is able to come off and if its not there the clamp can slice into the reserve.

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[sunshine 2]

I use both. I tried packing without using clamps once and it was ugly. I've never packed without using weights though so i got nothing to compare it to.

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[skygod7777 0]

weights, and that is only when the bastards give me a little bit of trouble.

i really prefere to use the least amount of tools that i can.

bue this is just my opinion

later

[eames 0]

I use ~18 inch ~3-5 lb. weights (using lead shot from a gun shop) made of 2 inch tubular nylon webbing (from an outdoor/climbing store).

I only use clamps for hanging a canopy up for inspection.

Jason

[hookitt 1]

Six clamps (sometimes more cuz I have a boatload of them) and a couple a weights.

Tools are your friends.

Make a checklist of each tool. Use the checklist of which tool you use, and check it off when you remove it. When you have 1000 pack jobs, still use the check list. Give the checklist to the owner of the rig when you're finished.

Any one out there have a good checklist they can share? Mines functionall but not pretty.

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[PhreeZone 20]

Check this thread for some ideas on forms.

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[hookitt 1]

Thanks

I want to share a much nicer checklist with a new rigger friend of mine.

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[rigging65 0]

We don't use either. Never needed them and I don't see any reason why we would in the future. We don't even teach their use in our Rigger's Courses.

Reserves can be packed without weights or clamps folks, and done equally as clean and quick. Plus, it's one (or several) less things to leave in a rig!

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[hookitt 1]

Don't need em... But I like em. I didn't use them for a long time. Now I use them again.

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[dkpbxman 0]

Absolutely not-I have a phobia about leaving something behind. I have an old packing drag mat that has the outline of all my tools on it. After I finish the re-pack, I make sure all the outlines are filled in.

[hookitt 1]

One more reply.

Unless you see how I use them it's irrelevant whethere I say I do or not. I can easily pack with or with out weights or clamps. This has no bearing on whether you should.

My Preference is to use them. I would suspect, any person who saw the how I do use them, would not worry whether or not I left a clamp in the pack job. It's not possible. Ok.. it is possible, but I'd have to remove the clamps, put the parachute in the bag, and then put the clamp in the bag.

None the less. It's a choice. It's not Neccessary to use clamps or weights. Now that I've put more thought into it, I would suggest to you, as a new rigger, to use a few tools as possible.

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[rigging65 0]

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None the less. It's a choice. It's not Neccessary to use clamps or weights. Now that I've put more thought into it, I would suggest to you, as a new rigger, to use a few tools as possible.

Amen.

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For there you have been, and there you long to return..."

[riggerrob 643]

He! He!
Another opportunity to publicly disagree with councilman.
If he watched my "Packing a Ram Air Canopy into a Pilot Emergency Parachute" seminar at the 1997 PIA Symposium, he would have seen me clamping the canopy.
For a detailed look at how I use clamps, read the Aviator or Talon 2 packing manuals on Rigging Innovations' website.

I gave up on using weights to pack ram airs after the freebag got really "heavy" on a couple of occaisions.

Funny, I still use weights when I pack round parachutes into PEPs.

[theonlyski 8]

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The issue with the clamps I have is that the plastic coating on the end is able to come off and if its not there the clamp can slice into the reserve.

Finally came up with a fix for this (for me anyways)

Had an old pair of jeans that don't fit anymore, so I chopped up a leg and made my 'clamp condoms'.

Basically very simple, a U shaped piece of denim with fold overs on the ends, now the denim is between the clamps and the canopy, no real risk of them coming into contact!

(my engineering mind seems to work better with alcohol fuel!)

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[likestojump 3]

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The issue with the clamps I have is that the plastic coating on the end is able to come off and if its not there the clamp can slice into the reserve.

Finally came up with a fix for this (for me anyways)

Had an old pair of jeans that don't fit anymore, so I chopped up a leg and made my 'clamp condoms'.

Basically very simple, a U shaped piece of denim with fold overs on the ends, now the denim is between the clamps and the canopy, no real risk of them coming into contact!

(my engineering mind seems to work better with alcohol fuel!)

those red caps get worn pretty easy

my solution is Pony 3202 clamps
reverse the caps (take the long ones from the handle and put them on the mouth piece)
put tags on the ends of the handles

I like clamps a lot more than packing weights. I use them to pack squares AND rounds.

[fcajump 164]

Mostly I don't use either for Ram-Air's (weights for rounds). Though my weights are good for keeing things stable.

COUNT YOUR TOOLS!

I have seen one container mfg that seems to prefer using clamps.

And I've been told by one reserve canopy mfg that they don't want any kind of clamp placed on their canopy for ANY reason. (not packing, not hanging, not fabric pull test, not no way, not no how... not ever... they seemed rather adamant...)

If you use weights:
- clean/smooth surface
- no leaking dust (fine grain sand/grit is bad for fabric)
- heavy enough to do the job
- long bright (contrasting) flags to keep from loosing them in the folds
- COUNT your tools when done.

If you use clamps:
- clean/smooth surface
- large/strong enough to do the job
- long bright (contrasting) flags to keep from loosing them in the folds
- COUNT your tools when done.

Verify that your home-grown techniques do not violate the mfg's recommendations.

JW

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[pchapman 279]

Minor comments:

Protectors for the ends of clamps: I just saw neoprene dog booties in a dollar store, that looked like they might fit (although still might need to be tied on not to lose them, since they won't be a perfect fit).

Clamps vs weights:
A bit of both for me. I don't use weights with lead shot; I don't like the idea of possible lead contamination from all the rubbing lead.

Clamps can be handy for the skinny top of round canopies, to keep the lengthwise folds all together. Weights tend to slide off (if not perfectly balanced across the canopy) when pulling the canopy towards the rig.