NoShitThereIWas 0 #1 October 25, 2005 Hey All, I am creating a 4 Way Scrambles draw and was wondering if anyone had a favorite 4 way which was relatively simple and seemed to flow real well. I have some good ideas but could use a couple more. The dives can be Random or Block. I am on my way to do some research. Also, does anyone know a decent site to create dive pools/ flows to be printed? Any help would be appreciated. Blue skies.Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 October 25, 2005 A nice dive when mixing a couple really experienced people with a couple newbies (most scrambles formats) is M-21-F It can really get the newbies excited about 4-way since it's fast and 'relatively' bulletproof ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #3 October 25, 2005 H-6-P Solid exit and a real easy block to learnHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #4 October 25, 2005 P-O-6 - similar to the last posters reasoning.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vibeke 0 #5 October 25, 2005 B - 7 - 21 _________________________________________________________ Your success and happiness, is in direct proportions to your commitment to excellence, regardless of your chosen field of endeavour. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #6 October 25, 2005 QuoteHey All, I am creating a 4 Way Scrambles draw and was wondering if anyone had a favorite 4 way which was relatively simple and seemed to flow real well. I have some good ideas but could use a couple more. The dives can be Random or Block. I am on my way to do some research. Also, does anyone know a decent site to create dive pools/ flows to be printed? Any help would be appreciated. Blue skies. My favorite one is M-M-M-M but O-O-O-O flies really well too Check T1/T2's software out at http://www.omniskore.com/printpool.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #7 October 25, 2005 Here's one more http://www.ivanpeters.com/index.htm?page=/skydive/drawgenerator/index.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #8 October 25, 2005 My favorite one is M-M-M-M but O-O-O-O flies really well too Quote M-M-M-M gets even faster if you go with the mirror imageHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #9 October 25, 2005 B-O-H-E-P Good quick dive with small moves for everyone. Good dive to warm with and will build the confidence of newbies.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #10 October 25, 2005 H-Q-E The point has basically no moves, and the tail has very small moves, so if you are running a scrambles meet put the two experienced guys in the center. The only thing that might get a new guy if they are on point is the Q if they have never done an outfacing slot before, if that is going to be an issue you could switch the Q with an F. I fly OC so I like the Q outfacing rocks.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #11 October 26, 2005 It's good to take a scrambles and start easy and then get tougher. That helps the experience people prep the newer ones. Cause scrambles (to me) are really about having fun and giving the newer people a chance to do some better stuff. Round 1: B-O-F Round 2: M-H-Q Round 3: E-21-J Round 4: Star/Star-Opposed helix-crank and so on ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites UDSkyJunkie 0 #12 October 27, 2005 Personal opinion that scrambles meets should be all randoms unless you are scrambling from a pretty strong pool of jumpers... scrambles are usually about exposing newer jumpers to more experienced ones, and blocks (even if they go well) will mean lower scores and less confidence-boost. My team has a speed drill dive we use because it flows well and is very fast: meeker-satellite-donut-open-star We've busted out a couple of 21 point dives (in time) with that one even though our best competition average ever was a 9.7... I'd probably ditch the satellite in a scrambles because 5 points is too much and because it interrupts the flow more then the others. Randoms like sidebuddies, twins, and cat + accordian can be challenging and a lot of fun for newer people. omniskore.com has software that will create pools, but I don't know if it will print them out with all the pretty pictures. You might contact Kurt Gaebel at skyleague.com and see what he's using to create the PDF files of draws."Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #13 October 27, 2005 Quoteomniskore.com has software that will create pools, but I don't know if it will print them out with all the pretty pictures. You might contact Kurt Gaebel at skyleague.com and see what he's using to create the PDF files of draws. It's called "printpool" and it's great and it will print out the pretty pictures. I'm sure if T has updated it in the last couple years though. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #14 October 27, 2005 doesn't Mario Santos have a genorator as well on his website?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #15 October 28, 2005 Ack, I think he has 4 of everthing on that site. When I go there, I don't feel quite so obsessive about the whole thing. (Great site) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites agent_lead 0 #16 November 18, 2005 no idea what these letters mean..someone care to elaborate for a newb?-------------------------------------------- www.facebook.com/agentlead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #17 November 18, 2005 Link to PDF of pretty pictures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #18 November 18, 2005 It's called "printpool" and it's great and it will print out the pretty pictures. I'm sure if T has updated it in the last couple years though. Quote My favorite technique for putting to gether a dive since I'm usually the only one that knows the dive pool, ask the other three on the dive to pick a letter, and then find a way to engineer it so I get all the big moves.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 November 18, 2005 QuoteMy favorite technique for putting to gether a dive since I'm usually the only one that knows the dive pool, ask the other three on the dive to pick a letter, and then find a way to engineer it so I get all the big moves. That sounds very familiar to me...... except it gets old when EVERYBODY thinks it's funny to pick I, or any letter after Q. I mean it was funny the first 27 times, but then it got old - then it got funny again for a while, now it's old again. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #20 November 18, 2005 except it gets old when EVERYBODY thinks it's funny to pick I, or any letter after QQuote that's when you use this technique, observe: Me: Pick a letter Smartass: V Me: OK V is a phalanx, now you pick a letter Smartass 2: R Me: Ok, R is an open accordian, well look at that, you two smartasses can sit there and pick up grips while the point and I do all the turns See how easy it isHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dippymoo 0 #21 November 19, 2005 DANBC cos it always makes us laugh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyhi 24 #22 November 19, 2005 M-E-J-14Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. 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dgskydive 0 #9 October 25, 2005 B-O-H-E-P Good quick dive with small moves for everyone. Good dive to warm with and will build the confidence of newbies.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #10 October 25, 2005 H-Q-E The point has basically no moves, and the tail has very small moves, so if you are running a scrambles meet put the two experienced guys in the center. The only thing that might get a new guy if they are on point is the Q if they have never done an outfacing slot before, if that is going to be an issue you could switch the Q with an F. I fly OC so I like the Q outfacing rocks.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #11 October 26, 2005 It's good to take a scrambles and start easy and then get tougher. That helps the experience people prep the newer ones. Cause scrambles (to me) are really about having fun and giving the newer people a chance to do some better stuff. Round 1: B-O-F Round 2: M-H-Q Round 3: E-21-J Round 4: Star/Star-Opposed helix-crank and so on ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UDSkyJunkie 0 #12 October 27, 2005 Personal opinion that scrambles meets should be all randoms unless you are scrambling from a pretty strong pool of jumpers... scrambles are usually about exposing newer jumpers to more experienced ones, and blocks (even if they go well) will mean lower scores and less confidence-boost. My team has a speed drill dive we use because it flows well and is very fast: meeker-satellite-donut-open-star We've busted out a couple of 21 point dives (in time) with that one even though our best competition average ever was a 9.7... I'd probably ditch the satellite in a scrambles because 5 points is too much and because it interrupts the flow more then the others. Randoms like sidebuddies, twins, and cat + accordian can be challenging and a lot of fun for newer people. omniskore.com has software that will create pools, but I don't know if it will print them out with all the pretty pictures. You might contact Kurt Gaebel at skyleague.com and see what he's using to create the PDF files of draws."Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 October 27, 2005 Quoteomniskore.com has software that will create pools, but I don't know if it will print them out with all the pretty pictures. You might contact Kurt Gaebel at skyleague.com and see what he's using to create the PDF files of draws. It's called "printpool" and it's great and it will print out the pretty pictures. I'm sure if T has updated it in the last couple years though. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #14 October 27, 2005 doesn't Mario Santos have a genorator as well on his website?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #15 October 28, 2005 Ack, I think he has 4 of everthing on that site. When I go there, I don't feel quite so obsessive about the whole thing. (Great site) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
agent_lead 0 #16 November 18, 2005 no idea what these letters mean..someone care to elaborate for a newb?-------------------------------------------- www.facebook.com/agentlead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #17 November 18, 2005 Link to PDF of pretty pictures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #18 November 18, 2005 It's called "printpool" and it's great and it will print out the pretty pictures. I'm sure if T has updated it in the last couple years though. Quote My favorite technique for putting to gether a dive since I'm usually the only one that knows the dive pool, ask the other three on the dive to pick a letter, and then find a way to engineer it so I get all the big moves.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #19 November 18, 2005 QuoteMy favorite technique for putting to gether a dive since I'm usually the only one that knows the dive pool, ask the other three on the dive to pick a letter, and then find a way to engineer it so I get all the big moves. That sounds very familiar to me...... except it gets old when EVERYBODY thinks it's funny to pick I, or any letter after Q. I mean it was funny the first 27 times, but then it got old - then it got funny again for a while, now it's old again. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #20 November 18, 2005 except it gets old when EVERYBODY thinks it's funny to pick I, or any letter after QQuote that's when you use this technique, observe: Me: Pick a letter Smartass: V Me: OK V is a phalanx, now you pick a letter Smartass 2: R Me: Ok, R is an open accordian, well look at that, you two smartasses can sit there and pick up grips while the point and I do all the turns See how easy it isHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dippymoo 0 #21 November 19, 2005 DANBC cos it always makes us laugh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyhi 24 #22 November 19, 2005 M-E-J-14Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
rehmwa 2 #19 November 18, 2005 QuoteMy favorite technique for putting to gether a dive since I'm usually the only one that knows the dive pool, ask the other three on the dive to pick a letter, and then find a way to engineer it so I get all the big moves. That sounds very familiar to me...... except it gets old when EVERYBODY thinks it's funny to pick I, or any letter after Q. I mean it was funny the first 27 times, but then it got old - then it got funny again for a while, now it's old again. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #20 November 18, 2005 except it gets old when EVERYBODY thinks it's funny to pick I, or any letter after QQuote that's when you use this technique, observe: Me: Pick a letter Smartass: V Me: OK V is a phalanx, now you pick a letter Smartass 2: R Me: Ok, R is an open accordian, well look at that, you two smartasses can sit there and pick up grips while the point and I do all the turns See how easy it isHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dippymoo 0 #21 November 19, 2005 DANBC cos it always makes us laugh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyhi 24 #22 November 19, 2005 M-E-J-14Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
dippymoo 0 #21 November 19, 2005 DANBC cos it always makes us laugh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #22 November 19, 2005 M-E-J-14Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
