riddler 0 #1 February 18, 2003 OK, my packing still sucks, but I'm getting better. At least I think I'm getting better, until I pack as shown in the pics. FYI - Vector 2 (DOM 1988) V8 (I believe), packing a Triathalon 190 (DOM 1994). I have been told by DZOs (not riggers) the container *may* be too big for the main. You can see from the pics that some corners of the bag really want to lump out to the sides. I've been told the sides should be smooth. Also, there is a "soft" space on the side closest to the reserve (I circled) and the BOC is "bowed" inwards. Can anyone see a potential problem with deployment because of this pack job? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #2 February 18, 2003 How tight is your pin? Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #3 February 18, 2003 Quote the container *may* be too big for the main. container too big for main? or is it canopy too big for container? i know absolutely nothing about Vector containers, but there is a couple of really good riggers here that will see you post, and help you out. "if it don't feel right, don't do it!" take care, be safe.--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #4 February 18, 2003 I don't have a fishscale, but I just tried it, and I'm guessing about 10 pounds of force straight up to extract. I'm guessing that because the rig weighs about 20 pounds, and I can barely lift the edge of the rig off the ground before the pin comes out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #5 February 18, 2003 Quote container too big for main? or is it canopy too big for container? I have been told by three people that the container *may* be too big for the main (but not by a rigger). It's hard for me to believe, considering how hard it seems to be to close Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #6 February 18, 2003 I just put a scale to two rigs (both J4's) with snug pins. 7 ish pounds is what I measured. I would have to look at it to be sure, but as long as the pin is snug (to prevent pre-mature deployments & horse-shoes) I don't see a problem with it. I have seen "filler" pads sewn to the back pad inside the main pack tray to compensate for a low-volume canopy in a high volume container. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerm 0 #7 February 18, 2003 Quote If I throw bean bag lights in the shape of an arrow on the DZ so you know which way to land you will have some illumination lighting the area allowing you to land safely. That is a light DZ. So this was just post-whoring, then? Landing without injury is not necessarily evidence that you didn't fuck up... it just means you got away with it this time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 February 18, 2003 Psssst...wrong thread...--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #9 February 18, 2003 Quote So this was just post-whoring, then? this must be a classic example of drinking and posting?--Richard-- "We Will Not Be Shaken By Thugs, And Terroist" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,537 #10 February 18, 2003 It looks to me as though the bag is a little wider than the container, and like you're packing the main nice and wide into the bag. So it might be that the bag is too big for the main, and not the container. See if you can try (maybe borrow?) a bag that's sized better. Is there a rigger around who has scads of old stuff hanging around the loft? Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #11 February 18, 2003 It's an OLD vector with a smallish parachute. It's just going to look that way. and as long as the Loop is tight and your not freeflying in that container it's basically ok. It's not the proper fit and is not a suitable set up to freefly. But as far as deployment issues, I see none. What I would worry about is pin tension. Be aware that the main flap will mostly likely be open on a regular basis. That's the part I'd worry about most. - -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #12 February 19, 2003 Quote It's an OLD vector Hey - I take offense to that The container DOM is 1988 (the year I graduated high school) and it _is_ an old container. Some FYI - I *do* free-fly this container. It does have mods for free-flying. It doesn't have all the mods I would like, but it's not worth investing the amount of money into it for tuck-tab riser covers, etc - better to just buy a newer container. I have been told that the pin cover will be open a lot, but I do have about 10 video jumps of myself and I've never seen it open - not in belly, sit or head-down. Neither have I seen the (velcro) riser covers open. Considering it's age, it has held together very well - I've been impressed with the Vector 2. Edit to add that part of the problem may be tied to the fact that the main D-bag is a split bag. Velcro. From your posts, this might be a lot of the issue. I would love to replace the bag anyway - I liked the split bag when I was learning to pack, but don't like it anymore. Thanks for the feedback all - you have given me some ideas to discuss with my rigger. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #13 February 19, 2003 Quote Quote It's an OLD vector Hey - I take offense to that The container DOM is 1988 (the year I graduated high school) and it _is_ an old container . As you should Quote Some FYI - I *do* free-fly this container. Ok Quote It does have mods for free-flying. I see a BOC with no bridle cover with a loose fitting main there the pouch is (probably)looser than it should be. Quote it's not worth investing the amount of money True Quote I have been told that the pin cover will be open a lot, but I do have about 10 video jumps of myself and I've never seen it open - not in belly, sit or head-down. No worries... give it a chance. Quote Neither have I seen the (velcro) riser covers open. BY the looks ao the picture the left riser cover is practiacally open just sitting there. Quote Considering it's age, it has held together very well - I've been impressed with the Vector 2. Quality is GREAT... It's still not freefly friendly.... then again, what the heck do I know. Quote Thanks for the feedback all You're welcome -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rendezvous 0 #14 February 20, 2003 Have someone good with packing like a packer do a pack job for you. See how neatly do they get it in. It might just be that you aren't being able to get enough air out of your canopy which is probably causing the bagged canoopy to be too volumonous for the container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #15 February 20, 2003 Without seeing the rig it's hard to say but: I've jumped a Vector2 V5 with a Maverick(200sqft) packed in it. That was a nice fit. After the Maverick came to the end of its road, I got a Fury(220sqft) for the rig. That's a very tight but doable packjob. I'd say the Tri is way too small for your container, but as usual, your local riggers will know best, since they can see the rig... Note that the Maverick and the Fury are made of F111(easier to pack), but the Triathlon is a ZP canopy. Quote part of the problem may be tied to the fact that the main D-bag is a split bag. Velcro. The split bag should be easy to fix: Have your rigger sew the velcro permanently closed. That's what was done on the student Vectors on my DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #16 February 20, 2003 LOL..... And Ron proves his point about newbies giving advice ;) If I'm not mistaken, the bulges on the sides are actually from the rapide links. The reason it is soo pronounced is because the flaps are being pulled tighter because of smaller pack volume in the tray. As to whether it is safe or not.... I'm not a rigger so I couldn't officially say yes or no, BUT can say that my V3 does have slight bulges due to the linksI promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rendezvous 0 #17 February 21, 2003 Ok ! I didn't quite get what made you LOL ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 February 21, 2003 I don't remember what the recommended pack volume for the main tray is on an older Vector 2-V8, but I would start by calling Relative Workshop and finding out. Then find out what the pack volume is on the Triathlon. Are they compatable? You will also need to factor in what type of lines you have. Is the D-bag the same one that came with the container or is it by AR or another manufacturer? If so, is it the proper size for the canopy? If the main, container and D-bag are within the recommended specs, then I would take a look at the riser length and Rapide link size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #19 February 21, 2003 It's not the riser length or rapide links. The v-8 is very large. The Parachute is not large. The links might terminate down the side but thats not the issue. since the parachute is small for the container, the closing loop is very short thus squishing the Main pack tray out of it's intended shape. Some one is being very politically correct with this statement ==> I have been told by DZOs (not riggers) the container *may* be too big for the main. -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 February 21, 2003 The reason I listed the steps I would take in the order i did is because I am pretty sure the problem lies in the canopy/container/D-bag match. Assuming that isn't the problem (which it probably is) I would then check the riser lenghth because it is remotely possible, not knowing the history of the container, that someone with very short arms could have installed short risers and 7mm Rapide links they purchased at Home Depot. I was just suggesting this "IF" the container/main/D-bag were compatable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #21 February 21, 2003 >The v-8 is very large. The Parachute is not large. Ok, Paragear catalog #65(00-01) says Vector V8 holds a main from 460 to 580 cubic inches. The same catalog says the Tri190 pack volume(given by Aerodyne) is 396 cu.in. The canopy volume list here has one entry for a 190 Triathlon, the pack volume is given as 509 cu.in... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #22 February 21, 2003 <> Nice! - -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakflyer69 0 #23 February 22, 2003 yea open riser covers are no big deal........Until you see your toggle(s) floating around unstowed, beleive me its real scary and after deployment can be tough kick out of or control before it spins all the way up. although I jumped a vecor 2 freeflying for 200jumps and didnt have a problem I did have the problem above with a stunts container with worn out tucktabs. be carefull! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #24 February 22, 2003 Aerodynes got the pack volume listed at 420 ci. Not a good match-up to the container. Can you get a refund on either? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tlshealy 0 #25 February 22, 2003 I think the D-bag you use in that vector will have more effect on fit than anything else, if you get a larger bag, it will fill the container better and you can still control the closing force with your loop length. I've got a tri-160 in a V-5 container and it fits fine with room to go bigger or smaller. Blue Skies Tad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
