gus 1 #1 July 1, 2002 Maybe this belongs in the Photo & Video forum..... Last weekend I was at the dz, all the usual suspects were absent so I manifested on my own and waited to see who else put themselves on. Turns out there was a six way so I asked the organiser if I could come along and film. "Cool, free video!" he said. He asked me how many camera jumps I had so I said about 50 or 60 but almost all freefly with only a few rw jumps. I told him I might not get anything at all on video but I'd stay out of the way and I definately wouldn't take anyone out. (See where this is going?) The jump was going pretty well until about 7 or 8k. I was dead centre above the formation thinking about how awesome the video was going to look when I got sucked in by the burble. I hadn't changed anything with my body position but the formation moved a bit below me and that was it. From the relatively small distance I was above the formation I was amazed how quickly I sped up and how hard I hit the poor guy that was underneath me at the time. We were lucky, I clipped his arm but it really could have been a whole lot more serious. I hit him pretty darn hard, if I'd connected with his head..... So what do I think I did wrong? I got obsessed with the video, I was directly above the formation which gives great visuals but gives very little margin for error. I should have realised that I hadn't done this very much and filmed from above and to the side. I was also wearing my freefly suit, which I thought would give me a greater range of speed but as big as I tried to make myself when I felt myself falling onto the formation I was pretty powerless to prevent it and that was not a nice feeling. I've learnt from it, I hope someone else can too. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #2 July 1, 2002 thats why you freaks need to jump on you own.... glad all was well... who did you clip? pm if you dont want to make it public...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramon 0 #3 July 1, 2002 Basically you don't get over a formation if you don't have a wing suit. Good RW camera fliers will hover at the edge of the burble and use their wings if they slide in to a little burbly air. Just think If you landed on neck or head and the person did not have a cypres, it could have been really bad. ramon"Revolution is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment.", Ambrose Bierce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #4 July 1, 2002 I agree that this may be a good discussion for the photo & video forum... not that it does not belong here, but that it would be good there too... I have been told that if you have not fallen into a formation, you're not close enough... that being said aspiring camera flyers need to work into those places slowly and be there with the right gear... I agree with ramon, don't get on the edge w/o wings... they are a tremndous help when you are on the edge of the burble (or in it). There is really no reason IMO to be that close (over the top) on recreational jumps... close ups are cool, but not at the risk of safety. Josh PS... how did the video come out?All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzle 0 #5 July 1, 2002 --did not have a cypres Not that should make much different but he didn't Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #6 July 1, 2002 QuoteNot that should make much different but he didn't the differnece is that if you hit him and knocked him out... cypress he lives (provided it works), no cypress he inherits the earth unless someone catches him and deploys one of his chutes... one of the leading aguments for AADs... I submit that you do not want to be the person who knocks someone out and adds another statistic to one side of that argument or the other. I woul dnot want that hanging over me... cypress save, or worse, no save. JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Craig 0 #7 July 1, 2002 Quote I have been told that if you have not fallen into a formation, you're not close enough... that being said aspiring camera flyers need to work into those places slowly and be there with the right gear... Interesting, I was listening to, in my opinion, a very expierenced camera flyer this past weekend and he said almost the same thing. More along the lines of it's not "if" but "when"....some day you will fall into a formation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 July 1, 2002 I should point out that even with very large camera wings this is still entirely possible at almost any point in the skydive. A couple of weekends ago, I proved this to myself yet again. In my case it was particularly embarrassing because we were trying to get shots of Melanie Conatser, one of the DZOs of Perris, doing 4-way. Craig O'Brien (World Champion camera flyer) was shooting second camera so, it was, um, pretty well documented. Fortunately, I only hit Pam Stevens, Raoul Gravell's wife. Raoul is another fairly famous camera flyer and my camera flying mentor! So, um, yeah, I'm going to be living this down for awhile. I don't know a single camera flyer that shoots RW that hasn't at one time or another whacked the team. There's one bit of advise I'll pass along, if you ever find yourself in this situation again (and you probably will) keep trying to get big and slide out of it all the way until you impact them. If you give up and put your hands in front of you to attempt to deflect the impact, you'll just go faster and hit them harder -- but if you keep trying, you just may bounce off or miss them altogether.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #9 July 2, 2002 Quotethe differnece is that if you hit him and knocked him out... cypress he lives (provided it works), no cypress he inherits the earth unless someone catches him and deploys one of his chutes... one of the leading aguments for AADs... Minor correction: * Cypres: He has a chance at life. * No Cypres: Most likely dead. It's important that we realize that the Cypres is not a guarenteed life saver. The reserves most people fly these days can kill them just as dead as their HP canopies if they're not landed properly. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #10 July 2, 2002 QuotePS... how did the video come out? LOL! Pretty cool. For the 5 or 10 seconds before I f*$ked it up it was looking good - everyone in frame and me sat perfectly still. Thanks for all the good advice, I think I'll consider wings if I start doing lots of rw video and it makes me feel better that even real camera flyers get it wrong some times GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #11 July 2, 2002 Go go gadget newbie: What's a cypress?cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weid14 0 #12 July 2, 2002 a tree..... a CyPreS is an AAD. they'll go over all the gear in the first jump couse..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iflyme 0 #13 July 3, 2002 Quotecypress he lives cypres only gets the reserve out -- there are no guarantees you won't crash into the side of a building, hit powerlines, land on a road an get smushed by a car, etc... I think it's dangerous to think you can't be mortally wounded if you fly with an AAD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sangiro 25 #14 July 3, 2002 Please take general Safety & Training or Gear related questions to the relevant forum. This forum is for discussing the incidents at hand. Grue, check out this Glossary Thanks guys! Safe swoops Sangiro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #15 July 3, 2002 ok, ok... when passing 1K on the way down... unconscious w/ AAD = chance @ life unconscious w/ no AAD = R.I.PAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #16 July 3, 2002 Thanks sangiro! Didn't think to look for that in the safety section :Dcavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
