highfly 0 #1 October 25, 2002 I have just recived a copy of "Into the Silk" by Ian Mackersey. There was a newspaper clipping inside with reference to an Ivan Maguire. The clipping stated that this camera flyer managed to get into an aircraft with his full camera equipment on and no rig. When the a/c reached altitude he proceeded to jump with the team without his rig. This incident happened in 1988 and I am unclear as to weather it happend or not. Please can I get some clarification on this please. Is this another bad urban myth or is it fact. Blue skies www.myspace.com/durtymac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #2 October 25, 2002 Try running a search - seems to me there was a thread about it recently, but I can't remember who/what/when.../ Yes, it seems to have happened. Makes the phrase gear check a little more impactful... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
highfly 0 #3 October 25, 2002 Cheers Michele. When I walk to the plane Check your handle Check your alti Check your handle Emergency drills Check your handle And exactly the same thing happens all the way up until exit where I check my main pin. www.myspace.com/durtymac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #4 October 25, 2002 QuoteWhen I walk to the plane 1. Check your handle 2. Check your alti 3. Check your handle 4. Emergency drills 5. Check your handle Yup. I add the following. a. Check around you for others' handles/straps b. Check again for others' handles/straps c. Check all mine about 47 million times d. Check others' handles and straps... At the door, one last touch to all three, and smile and go.... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 October 25, 2002 Yes, it happened. The videoflyer had a chest mounted recorder that looked a lot like a chest mounted reserve. In the mid 80's chest reseves were falling out of favor fast, but they were still there on older gear. The harness fitted like a skydiving harness. I've heard it a few different versions, but all the details are the same... impact with no rig. Ask anyone with more then 1000 jumps how many times they've seen/had a mis routed chest strap. Gear checks are needed, but each jumper is responcible for their own gear.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
highfly 0 #6 October 25, 2002 Thats what I like in the UK. FLIGHT LINE CHECKS! I jumped in the USA last year and found it a bit of a shock to have no flight line checks as mandatory, but if you are blessed with a bit of common sense you get other people to check your gear as well as yourself. Safety at the end of the day is in your own hands. www.myspace.com/durtymac Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #7 October 25, 2002 QuoteThats what I like in the UK. And thats one of the things I don't like. If you want a gear check then ask for one, I just don't like the fact that its mandatory. You said it yourself : QuoteSafety at the end of the day is in your own hands. So why rely on others to check things you could/should check yourself? Too many people get lulled into a false sense of security by a gear check IMHO. Will PS I jump quite often with another Matt Robinson (freeflyer with about 400 jumps), bit of a co-incidence that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #8 October 26, 2002 I've seen a camera flyer get in the plane with no rig, but someone pointed out his mistake before the plane moved. He was just learning camera flying and was trying out his new camera suit/helmet setup. He never lived that one down. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 October 26, 2002 Quote He never lived that one down. Wow, you mean they teased him to death? Harsh man . . . really harsh. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kirils 1 #10 October 26, 2002 Check out Mike Swain's book "The Endless Fall". A chuteless jump is documented and a video is available."Slow down! You are too young to be moving that fast!" Old Man Crawfish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spy38W 0 #11 October 26, 2002 QuoteCheck out Mike Swain's book "The Endless Fall". A chuteless jump is documented and a video is available. Really? Howzabout a Cliff's Notes version... -- Hook high, flare on time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cajones 0 #12 October 26, 2002 Another factor in the guy with the chest mounted VCR: He had a tandem harness on, and had gone on a tandem with his video gear on a previous load. The laws of physics are strictly enforced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #13 October 26, 2002 what he said http://www.skydivingstunts.com/Pages/chuteless.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmcvey 0 #14 October 26, 2002 I was told these photo's were fake. I heard he was wearing a harness under his jumpsuit and had a steel cable through his sleeve connected at the leg straps. Anyone heard this/heard otherwise?? Either way they are excellent photos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blewaway5 0 #15 October 26, 2002 Yep, it's true. If you get a chance to see the video watch really closely. They do a good job editing around it but you can still get a glimpse of the cable every now and then while he's under canopy. Even so, it's still some wild video! Truman Sparks for President Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parrot 0 #16 October 26, 2002 Man, i wonder what the man thought when he noticed no gear and was heading for earth...... Horrible........... Heh, thats funny . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #17 October 27, 2002 Janelin has an advertising poster (we have one at our DZ) it has a guy in a white jumpsuit doing the same thing, if you look closely at it you can see he outline of a webbing strap (or flat cable) running anlong his arm and attached to the container.. Regardless of the attachemnts,, it's an awsome picture and that guy has some BIG testicles. You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #18 October 27, 2002 Back in the 1960s, Bill Cole did a few chuteless jumps. Cole wore a harness with chest rings. and his buddy handed him a chest-mounted reserve in freefall. The camera malfunctioned on the first jump, so they repeated the stunt. CSPA banned Mr. Cole for his second chuteless jump. A few other skydivers repeated the stunt. The last time it was documented in Andy Keech's book Skies Call 2 or 3?. Only this time, the hero clipped into a set of risers hanging off his buddy's leg straps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luna 0 #19 October 28, 2002 The story documented in The Endless Fall that was mentioned by someone else was the story of Bill Cole, not these pictures. Bill's was in 1972, and it was not faked. Mike Swain, who wrote the book, was the one who did the video on the jump. Great story! I'm walking a marathon to raise money for the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Click Here for more information! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #20 October 28, 2002 Rod Pack also did a chuteless jump in 1965. The first 8-way star had not been built yet. Wendy W. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #21 October 28, 2002 I seem to remember this event, as a case where the camera flyer entered the plane, with his rig and camera equipment,,, and yet somehow managed to climb to altitude without ever actually donning the gear.... He was apparently seated up near the cockpit,, and so was one of the last to exit,,,,,,,, no one "downstream" of him, in the cabin, noticed... and he exited with the rig still sittin' in the plane..... makes you shake your head,,,, and wonder...... yet as this sport demonstrates to us on a regular basis,,,,anything is possible.....Gear check????? I would say SO!!!.... at least a couple of times on the way to altitude....For me.... my favorite skydive is the one that I am looking forward to making,,,,,,,,,,NEXT..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #22 October 28, 2002 I've heard a few stories of such things happening to camera flyers. Apparently a dude did this at our DZ. He was just checking to see his alti was zero'd lots of times...scary shit... I'm told when he realised he retreated sheepishly back into the hanger As dangerous as it is..as long as you never made it on the plane your never gonna live that one down. Its coming out every 5 minutes i'm bettin... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pack40 0 #23 October 28, 2002 Here in Hungary, before you board the plane, usually you stand in a nice row and the jumpmaster (here it is called jumpcommander) checks your gear. With my own eyes I saw -I was on the plane too- when a jumpcommander checked a gear of a jumper with ~13000 jumps (he holds the Hungarian record), and for the guy it was natural and did not say anything, did not try to stop because of his jumpnumber. It is really strange when we jump sometimes there are whuffo passengers in the plane without rigs than come the jokes "I would not fly with this plane without a parachute etc. etc." In US passangers are allowed to be on a jump plane? OVER Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dida 0 #24 October 28, 2002 some buddies and i were discussing these incidences one day at the dz. we decided the acronym, SHAGG, listed in the SIM should be changed to SHRAGG: Shoes Helmet Rig Alti Goggles Gloves spiral out...keep going... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cajones 0 #25 October 28, 2002 "Shoes, helmet... rig... darn it does someone in the plane have an extra rig? I forgot my rig, again!" Sorry, had to throw that in, 'cause I've given my extra goggles and tandem passenger altimeter to jumpers so many times... The laws of physics are strictly enforced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
