rigging65 0 #51 March 7, 2003 QuoteThe company I work for has lots of different ways of applying this coating, all the way from way harsh to fairly non-harsh(for lack of a better description). And in no way does the base material get damaged through the correct processing of these parts. Define "non-harsh".... I think, maybe, we could be convinced not to run a complete test series (and only do several confidence drops and third-party strength tests) if a company, such as yours, could show test data confirming that there is no degradation of the base metal over time. If it were cost effective. Maybe. Care to step up to the plate? "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #52 March 7, 2003 Any more details? colors? company background? Chemically I suck, so I cannot really comment on the effects on the base material.-- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samp76 0 #53 March 7, 2003 Unfortunately my company does not do color coatings, there is one application that put on a gold color coating but that is it. All I was saying is that there are companies out there that do, and I do not mind using what contacts I have to try something new. --Sam--Let go of the NUT!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #54 March 7, 2003 What I got from them (Prismatic), is that you get a few very basic Earth-tone colors in the process. I'm actually going to pursue this a bit more and get some samples. I'll let you know what I find out!! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #55 March 7, 2003 Quote ***What I got from them (Prismatic), is that you get a few very basic Earth-tone colors in the process. I'm actually going to pursue this a bit more and get some samples. I'll let you know what I find out!! hehe, i can see it now, the viper will be the first rig with colored hardware. it will be a selling point.later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #56 March 8, 2003 It would also seem that if a fool-hardy but fashion-savvy user really wanted to, and could find a master rigger to help, he/she could remove the hardware from their rig, have it color-coated, and re-attach it to the rig. I don't think I'd sign up, but I'm sure a few people here would... 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #57 March 8, 2003 Quote It would also seem that if a fool-hardy but fashion-savvy user really wanted to, and could find a master rigger to help, he/she could remove the hardware from their rig, have it color-coated, and re-attach it to the rig. I don't think I'd sign up, but I'm sure a few people here would... My God, do you have any idea how expensive that would be??? It'd be cheaper to have your harness totally rebuilt...plus new risers. Wow, I wish I had that kind of jing laying around to play with on an used rig! Plus, we all know it's all a gimmic anyway, but what a gimmic it would be!! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #58 March 8, 2003 Hey, it seems like lately the bling-bling is more important to a lot of people than anything else when buying a rig. It's nice to think that modern harness and container design have progressed to such a level that any container is built and tested well enough to keep you alive, so the priority has shifted to who has the most pimp-a-licious rig. But I'm not so sure that's the case... 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samp76 0 #59 March 8, 2003 There is also power coating. Why powder coat? Powder coating produces a high specification coating which is relatively hard, abrasion resistant (depending on the specification) and tough. Thin powder coatings can be bent but this is not recommended for exterior applications. The choice of colours and finishes is almost limitless, if you have the time and money to have the powder produced by the powder manufacturer.Let go of the NUT!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #60 March 10, 2003 Quote Hey, it seems like lately the bling-bling is more important to a lot of people than anything else when buying a rig. It's nice to think that modern harness and container design have progressed to such a level that any container is built and tested well enough to keep you alive, so the priority has shifted to who has the most pimp-a-licious rig. But I'm not so sure that's the case... Believe me, I wish people would spend more time looking at their rig choices and at least try to base them off the safety options they like best, rather than what looks flashier. To be honest, about the only group who seems to base their decisions off safety options with any real consistency is females who are buying gear right off of student status. Seems that once they get into the yard for a while, someone else tends to feed them info and convinces them of a choice...and then that choice seems to be etched in stone. Males, well, let's just say that Testosterone seems to be the order of the day...guys just like cool stuff. It appears most everyone is convinced that all rigs are created equal...I tend to agree that rigs are tested equally (generally), but not necessarily all made with the same quality "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #61 March 10, 2003 Quote There is also power coating. Powder coating doesn't handle metal-to-metal contact well at all. It will chip and you'll end up with little flakes all over the place. Plus, people will bitch when it does flake and want it fixed.... I hit a stumbling block with the Stainless Steel coloring as well. The type of Stainless used in the industry has a magnetic quality...this was the one thing the guy I spoke with about this coloring process said would make it a no-go. I'm going to get back in contact with him, but it seems this particular process just fell out from under us. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samp76 0 #62 March 10, 2003 Other then the 3 ring system and leg clamps, What metal to metal contact is there?? --Sam--Let go of the NUT!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #63 March 10, 2003 Chest strap buckle, reserve ripcord to ripcord handle. What else would you want to color if you could'nt color the 3 rings and the leg hardware?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #64 March 10, 2003 QuoteOther then the 3 ring system and leg clamps, What metal to metal contact is there?? Well, considering you just mentioned the most visible hardware on the rig, why would you pay to have the rest of it colored if you couldn't get that stuff done??? "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
samp76 0 #65 March 10, 2003 Point taken. Let go of the NUT!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #66 March 11, 2003 Quote I just received an reply back from a plating company, this is what was said: "Our Prismatic coloring process does not weaken or change the chemical properties of the stainless steel. The color is achieved by an electrochemical process that creates a thin layer (.000005") of chrome oxide on the stainless steel. The light refracting through the oxide back to your eye creates the color. Thanks, Regards, Bob Bramson President - Prismatic Stainless Steel" This company has been around for over 40 years. I would have to say the president of the company knows what he is talking about. --Sam-- So - that is not electroplating, which is what I was talking about. Chrome plating weakens high strength alloys, which is why it is banned in antique car racing on wire spoked wheels. It does it by (a) hydrogen charging the steel, and (b) creating microcracks in the surface. Anodizing to create an oxide layer is NOT plating.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #67 March 11, 2003 QuoteChrome plating weakens high strength alloys, which is why it is banned in antique car racing on wire spoked wheels. It does it by (a) hydrogen charging the steel, and (b) creating microcracks in the surface. As it happens, I was just browsing the Poynter manual(vol2) last night, and read the bit about plating hardware. From what I remember, it is possible to plate metals without weakening them, if you "bake" the plated hardware immediately after plating. There were some other issues(possibility of the chrome chipping off I think?) with chrome plated hardware that made it unsuitable for use in parachutes though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #68 March 11, 2003 QuoteQuoteChrome plating weakens high strength alloys, which is why it is banned in antique car racing on wire spoked wheels. It does it by (a) hydrogen charging the steel, and (b) creating microcracks in the surface. As it happens, I was just browsing the Poynter manual(vol2) last night, and read the bit about plating hardware. From what I remember, it is possible to plate metals without weakening them, if you "bake" the plated hardware immediately after plating. reply] Correct - baking eliminates the hydrogen. The primary issue is guaranteeing that it has been done, because testing for the presence of hydrogen is extraordinarily difficult. Poorly done chrome plating also contains microcracks which can initiate fatigue, and these are also difficult to detect without microscopic analysis.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggermick 7 #69 March 11, 2003 There were some other issues(possibility of the chrome chipping off I think?) with chrome plated hardware that made it unsuitable for use in parachutes though. A few years ago (1980's) curved pins were chrome plated. the plating would chip and wear after a while. If you did not pay close attention to your main loop the pin could cut through, it resulting in a horseshoe. The same thing happened at the pin attachment point leaving you with a total and a pilot chute in tow. Tony Domenico of SQ 1was the first to introduce stainless steel pins ( I worked for him at the time) others followed suit. Going back even further in time, the very early pins were constructed of bent wire welded in to a loop at the attachment point. Broken welds were not un common. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 7 #69 March 11, 2003 There were some other issues(possibility of the chrome chipping off I think?) with chrome plated hardware that made it unsuitable for use in parachutes though. A few years ago (1980's) curved pins were chrome plated. the plating would chip and wear after a while. If you did not pay close attention to your main loop the pin could cut through, it resulting in a horseshoe. The same thing happened at the pin attachment point leaving you with a total and a pilot chute in tow. Tony Domenico of SQ 1was the first to introduce stainless steel pins ( I worked for him at the time) others followed suit. Going back even further in time, the very early pins were constructed of bent wire welded in to a loop at the attachment point. Broken welds were not un common. Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
