billvon 3,006 #1 January 8, 2003 OK, you're videoing a low timer 4 way. One guy has his pin fall out and has an open container. Another guy on the dive sees it. 1. Would you likely see the open container? 2. If the second guy flew to the first, docked on him, and gave him a pull signal, would you recognize what was going on? (at least quickly enough to get out of the way) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 January 8, 2003 Quote OK, you're videoing a low timer 4 way. One guy has his pin fall out and has an open container. Another guy on the dive sees it. My -guess- is that this is a fairly unrealistic scenario in that you're assuming a low-time 4-way group is going to be heads up enough to notice something like this. A really hot 4-way team might also not notice this as generally they're just too focused and not watching out for stuff like that. But for the sake of your question, I'll go with it. Quote1. Would you likely see the open container? Me? More likely than not. Generally speaking I have a bit of time on my hands to look out for stuff like that and I use it exactly for that purpose. If anything so much as even looks like it -may- be coming undone, I'm off the top of them and off to the side. For example, I see loose pin covers all the time -- that's a cause for immediate concern. Anything that's flapping draws my attention. Pin covers, pieces of bridle, funky fitting jumpsuits, floppy booties, it all attracts my attention. Quote2. If the second guy flew to the first, docked on him, and gave him a pull signal, would you recognize what was going on? (at least quickly enough to get out of the way) If it were that severe, to the point where the 4-way stopped and one was giving hand signals to another one to pull, I'm pretty sure I would already be out of there.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #3 January 8, 2003 Answer to both....Yes. I've doged pull up cords I've seen work free from the storage ockets on peoples rigs. In RW camera you are placing yourself in a dangerous position, keep your eyes moving!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #4 January 8, 2003 >My -guess- is that this is a fairly unrealistic scenario in that you're > assuming a low-time 4-way group is going to be heads up enough >to notice something like this. The scenario I'm thinking about (because something like this actually happened) is a Tent 3 organizer at the WFFC taking up a load of 3 newbies, and getting video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 January 8, 2003 Ahh, so who had the crap out and who noticed and what did they do about it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #6 January 8, 2003 >Ahh, so who had the crap out and who noticed and what did they do >about it? Not quite the same. Had a guy who just started spinning and slowly drifting away. He had a completely blank look on his face. This worried me so I shook the other two people off and docked on him. I asked him if he was OK (in sign language) and he nodded. I let him go and he remained stable. I then went to 'fetch' the other two jumpers and drag them over to him so we'd all be in the same part of the sky when we deployed. The other two tracked away at 4K, and I stayed near him as he pulled. He landed OK and later said he just got spooked by all the people. When I first got to him I was considering dumping him in place if he wasn't responsive, but my worry was that being open at 7000 feet at Quincy isn't all that safe. The cameraman had seen what was going on and was following me, so I wasn't too worried about him. I had a few open pin covers in freefall in groups I organized (they really do get your attention) but no early deployments. On the one where I had video, the cameraman actually asked me first - 'Did you see that guy with the open flap? He was scarin me!' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzy 0 #7 January 9, 2003 As for my answer & being honest with myself cause it only takes a split second to miss something. 1. I sure hope so 2. I sure hope so, and would like to say yes - especially since A: it's a low time 4-way & I should be even more prepared. B: plan "A" obviously isn't working, so what's next On a different note: I like this question, as one that could/should be posed to new or potential camera flyers when explaining some of the hazards of floating above others, and possibly blind to what may be behind you on any size jump. I too have have dodged debris (and/or winced as it went by)- glasses, strings, a bandana is real eyecatching. Someone just starting out can get pretty focused on keeping the angle or being centred etc, to the point the "smaller" but still very important things can get missed. Thanks Fuzzy Ambition / Ability: Know the difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danger 0 #8 January 9, 2003 During a video dive I am always scanning the formation for just this reason. Anything flapping or anything that looks out of place gets my attention. I have also flown down to the formation to give signals just before breakoff when I have seen a floating pud. Danger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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