btvr 0 #1 March 12, 2003 Going to order a new wings container, What's a better choice for the boc pouch? Spandex or cordura?Also, any comments on articulated harness versus standard? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #2 March 12, 2003 QuoteGoing to order a new wings container, What's a better choice for the boc pouch? Spandex or cordura?Also, any comments on articulated harness versus standard? well, if you get BOC, i like the cordura, for those butt landings (my knee hurts a lot, and i sometimes just don't feel like running out a landing), but there is nothing wrong with a spandex pouch i recomend pull out, but that's just because i really like it, with the current rigs today, there is little advantage. and as to articulated or not, i'd say go articulated, makes the rig much better. more comfortable, and the resale value goes up. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
btvr 0 #3 March 12, 2003 Thanks for the info! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rendezvous 0 #4 March 12, 2003 reading a bit of this topic the sense I get is that spandex is the better choice from a safety point of view if the pilot chute during extraction bunches up at the mouth of the pouch or inside it. Spandex being stretchable will not resist the extraction as much as codura could. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #5 March 12, 2003 Quote reading a bit of this topic the sense I get is that spandex is the better choice from a safety point of view if the pilot chute during extraction bunches up at the mouth of the pouch or inside it. Spandex being stretchable will not resist the extraction as much as codura could. I have a Wings container with the codura BOC and have not had any troubles with it. But who's to say that I won't have trouble on my next jump. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #6 March 12, 2003 Quote Quote reading a bit of this topic the sense I get is that spandex is the better choice from a safety point of view if the pilot chute during extraction bunches up at the mouth of the pouch or inside it. Spandex being stretchable will not resist the extraction as much as codura could. I have a Wings container with the codura BOC and have not had any troubles with it. But who's to say that I won't have trouble on my next jump. It was hook that packed it.....I didn't have anything to do with it...*whistle* Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #7 March 12, 2003 Quotereading a bit of this topic the sense I get is that spandex is the better choice from a safety point of view if the pilot chute during extraction bunches up at the mouth of the pouch or inside it. Spandex being stretchable will not resist the extraction as much as codura could. The cordura pouch is short and fat though with the fabric bunched and sewn with spandex at the mouth. Actually the trick is more in folding the pc the right way to fill the entire pouch than getting it out. I haven't had anything close to a hard pull with mine *knock on wood*. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #8 March 12, 2003 Not being a big issue, but I think spandex is maby easier to pack. Sometimes you really hafta stuff the PC to a condura one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #9 March 12, 2003 QuoteNot being a big issue, but I think spandex is maby easier to pack. Sometimes you really hafta stuff the PC to a condura one... You just have to fold it right. They show you in the manual, it's different than most people do it. Fold it in half, and then in half again the same way, so it's at full width but 1/4 height. Then fold the bridal on top and roll both ends toward the middle. Fits in nice and clean and secure that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #10 March 12, 2003 QuoteQuoteNot being a big issue, but I think spandex is maby easier to pack. Sometimes you really hafta stuff the PC to a condura one... You just have to fold it right. They show you in the manual, it's different than most people do it. Fold it in half, and then in half again the same way, so it's at full width but 1/4 height. Then fold the bridal on top and roll both ends toward the middle. Fits in nice and clean and secure that way. Yep.. Thats the way I fold it too. But I know people who fold it differently. One way would be to do it as you said, but to not roll both ends to the middle, but to roll it all the way from one end to the other. Any way, what I ment to say earlier was that If you have two Pilot Chutes folded the same way , I find it easier to get the PC in to the Spandex pouch... Not a big issue though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #11 March 12, 2003 QuoteGoing to order a new wings container, What's a better choice for the boc pouch? Spandex or cordura?Also, any comments on articulated harness versus standard? Get the Cordura and Get the articulated. The cordura pouch design on the wings is very nice. It's durable and looks nice as well. You should have no trouble with extraction with good pilot chute folding techniques. Bad Folding techniques manifest them selves using any type of Pouch. Wings has A very nice Ringed Harness design as well. They did good. -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheneyneel 0 #12 March 13, 2003 Hey man what ever you decide to get on the BOC situation make sure you get the new hanlde they offer instead of the hackey.. Their freefly handle rocks and you will be glad you did no matter how you fly it is just safer.. .. If you dont know it is the same handle as a PUD system but it is a throw out just a pillow handle instead of a hackey... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #13 March 13, 2003 Quotemake sure you get the new hanlde they offer instead of the hackey I will never have another Hackey handle. Low Profile handle like the New handle is the way to go. Good call on that one cheneyneel -My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #14 March 13, 2003 I also have the freefly handle and like it very much. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #15 March 13, 2003 Pilot chutes can bunch up and be a no pull in spandex also. There is heavy elastic in the mouth of the pocket and if it can't stretch enough it won't come out. This is all dependent on PC packing. I just don't want you to think you don't have to worry about it because you might have a spandex pouch.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #16 March 13, 2003 first of all , good call on the wings... i have spandex and its great, don't know how the ordura will do. and if you can afford it, get articulated, most of your body will say thank you many times O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
btvr 0 #17 March 13, 2003 I will most likely get the articulate harness, Now I'm undecided about large rings or small. I do know that I want type 8 risers. I weigh 195 without gear and fear the 17's won't hold my fat ass. I know it's not true but with me it's a psychological thing. Now comes, stainless or non stainless, stainless standard or deluxe. It's worse than buying a car! One other thing to mention is that a guy on my drop zone keeps trying to push me to javelin. I know it's a damn good rig, but pricey and now there is a 16 week delivery time! I know the inventor of wings used to own javelin or something like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,532 #18 March 13, 2003 Get the big rings. Mechanical advantage and all that. Not huge, but there. There's an article in the dz.com gear and rigging section about it: http://www.dropzone.com/gear/articles/The3RingWhatItIsAndHowIt.shtml Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cheneyneel 0 #19 March 13, 2003 Man when you get into the new riggs lke WIngs Javelin ,mirage,Vector.... It all become preference.. They all rock and I woud own and jump them all..I actually think thatI am going to go with Wings on my next rig As far as stainless well.. I own a Vector Micron and I recieved nickel hardware on mine for no extra charge and I am so happy that I didnt spend th money on stainless with ths hickel option(they offer nickel, and powdercoat at no extra charge only stainless cost extra).. and it looks great and has held up apperances beautifully BUt if all you have is stainless or powder coating then you have to make the decision on wether you want shinny or not.... Go with what you can afford my brother.. Also an get the small rings.. You will be glad you did.. I am 215lbs without gear an you know that they will hold all day long... Also if you want to check out another dealer American Skydiving Systems offers 35% off all containers.(in parachutists). This company is also the parent company of Pier LTD. that s always in parachutists if you want to check around some more because of price.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #20 March 13, 2003 QuoteAlso an get the small rings.. You will be glad you did.. I am 215lbs without gear an you know that they will hold all day long... The only reason to get the small rings is "because they look cooler". He has already stated that he'll get type 8 risers, why would he get the small rings? If being fashionable isn't a consideration, the large rings are the way to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #21 March 13, 2003 i haven't jumped a jav yet, but i've worn one and it is also very comfortable. i've been reading every wings related tread here and i don't remember any bad reviews... mine is full stainless steal (rigger recommended it) my dz is on the coast, so it can get pretty moist here about the rings, i have nothing smart to say, so i'll shut up O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefallin14 0 #22 March 13, 2003 Have a cordura BOC on my wings with hackey. Never had a problem with a hard pull, etc. Articulated harness is extremely comfortable, most comfortable container I have jumped, jumped pretty much every popular one. The wings (this is my 2nd) are the only ones that were custom made for me though, so take the comfort coment with a grain of salt. Bret Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #23 March 13, 2003 Quote Now I'm undecided about large rings or small. Wished I would have gotten large rings. Didn't fully understand the difference when I bought my rig. The dealer didn't either and told me there was no difference other than cosmetic. My personal choice would have been to opt for safety not looks, but didn't think there was a difference in safety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites