meridianjumper 0 #1 May 27, 2003 I am sooo happy! I was cleared this weekend to start getting paid to do tandem video's!! YEAH!!!! Blue Skies, Jeremy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DavidKing 0 #2 May 27, 2003 Cool give me a few weeks and I'll be stealing your imagesDavid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflyeuphoria 0 #3 May 27, 2003 Good job buddy look forward to seeing some of ur workGrant a.k.a "The Wookster" Euphoria freefly http://www.freeflyeuphoria.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #4 May 27, 2003 Congrats! Is your profile up to date? If you're in rotation at 180 jumps, that's quite an accomplishment. "Professional Skydiver" isn't that cool! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BETO74 0 #5 May 27, 2003 What do you mean? Your drop zone hire you as camera guy for tandems? just curious. I been doing some camera jumps to gain experience some really good others not that good, I'm still learning so I just wanna know how do you get cleared and who does it? http://web.mac.com/ac057a/iWeb/AC057A/H0M3.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #6 May 28, 2003 Quote I am sooo happy! I was cleared this weekend to start getting paid to do tandem video's!! YEAH!!!! Cool Jeremy! Now work on getting those jumpers whizzing by you really low on Bell 412 jumps! It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meridianjumper 0 #7 May 28, 2003 I still have that on video!!! LOL!! Blue Skies, Jeremy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
meridianjumper 0 #8 May 28, 2003 Yes, my profile is up to date. :-) I am a very quick learner. I have had great teachers. Blue Skies, Jeremy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #9 May 28, 2003 wow...congratulations... I hope to be there too someday... But where I live you already need at least 200 RW jumps and a C licence before even concidering taking a video-camera up.... I would love to do video someday, but I'm nowhere near the experience needed to do it... Gues different countries have different rules...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #10 May 28, 2003 Quote wow...congratulations... I hope to be there too someday... But where I live you already need at least 200 RW jumps and a C licence before even concidering taking a video-camera up.... I would love to do video someday, but I'm nowhere near the experience needed to do it... Gues different countries have different rules... Nope, not entirely true anymore! I´m close to being able to jump my camera´s, as soon as I get my #$% B license . You now need 10 CRW jumps and your B then you can jump camera *under canopy only*, like, you can film CRW. For freefall camerajumping you still need your C and 200 freefall formation jumps (doesn´t have to be RW). ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SniperCJ 0 #11 May 28, 2003 QuoteYou now need 10 CRW jumps and your B then you can jump camera *under canopy only*, like, you can film CRW. For freefall camerajumping you still need your C and 200 freefall formation jumps (doesn´t have to be RW). OK, am I the only one that thinks this makes no sense at all? Youre still wearing a camera on your head, but its not running during freefall? Does this make it any less of a snag hazard because its not running? The only advantage I see is that youre not dividing your concentration between flying the camera and watching out for other skydivers. However most people I know would still "fly" the camera as if its running thereby voiding that issue. JC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #12 May 28, 2003 Quote Quote You now need 10 CRW jumps and your B then you can jump camera *under canopy only*, like, you can film CRW. For freefall camerajumping you still need your C and 200 freefall formation jumps (doesn´t have to be RW). OK, am I the only one that thinks this makes no sense at all? Youre still wearing a camera on your head, but its not running during freefall? Does this make it any less of a snag hazard because its not running? The only advantage I see is that youre not dividing your concentration between flying the camera and watching out for other skydivers. However most people I know would still "fly" the camera as if its running thereby voiding that issue. JC Ya have to do a h&p in this situation. You can´t freefall with a camera any longer than a couple secs. For jumping with cameras in freefall (whether they are running or not ) you´d have to meet the extra requirements. This rule is new, since march. My guess: somebody needed more CRW camera persons around here..? ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #13 May 28, 2003 I was doing tandem videos in rotation at about 250 jumps. I started lurking tandems and doing spec video at about 210. It took about 40 jumps with tandems to get consistent. Those tandem videos are the biggest advertisement for our sport, and they have to be good. Now, the USPA reg for shooting video of a tandem is 500 jumps and a rating of some kind. I believe this can be waived by your S&TA. We've been through this discussion many times, and I don't think there's a concensus. My two-bits is that a responsible person on your DZ should make the call, based on your temperment and skills, and it seems like they have. Again, congratulations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RevJim 0 #14 May 28, 2003 Quote I still have that on video!!! LOL!! If I ever find myself that low again, it's probably gonna scare the shit outta me.... Need to work on my jumpsuitless tracking skills.... It's your life, live it! Karma RB#684 "Corcho", ASK#60, Muff#3520, NCB#398, NHDZ#4, C-33989, DG#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #15 May 28, 2003 Quotethe USPA reg for shooting video of a tandem is 500 jumps and a rating of some kind. I believe this can be waived by your S&TA. is this accurate? i am not aware of any uspa regulations regarding flying a camera or shooting tandem videos... --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #16 May 28, 2003 RWS has in their tandem waiver that only people that hold the tandem rating ashould be allowed to fly with a tandem.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 May 28, 2003 USPA SIM Section 6-8 Camera Flying Recommendations don't specifically mention any jump numbers for flying with tandems, but does refer to the USPA Instructional Rating Manual for guidelines on minimum experience and qualifications for flying camera for student training jumps. Unfortunately, that document doesn't exist on-line at the USPA. Anybody got a copy and wanna quote it for us?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #18 May 28, 2003 i just read thru the 2003 SIM, Sec.6.8 Camera Flying Recommendations p.136 and saw nothing about any requirements regarding jump numbers or ratings...it does recommend a D-license, but that is the extent that i see...please let me know if i am missing something... --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #19 May 28, 2003 beat me to the punch quade, thanks for the info...i would like to hear what the instructional rating manual says.... --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #20 May 29, 2003 I had a tandem master with a mission show me the section when I first started doing tandem videos. I apologize for stirring the pot without giving the section, but I have read it in black and white. I'll look for it and report back. JP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 May 29, 2003 Well, I PMed and asked a certain camera flyer / AFF jump master we know to look it up, since clearly she ought to have a copy somewhere at her house. I'd be willing to cut her some slack since she's sick and all, but she's been working on her web site and posting, so she's clearly awake. Unless she's too goofed up on meds and watching the Teletubbies.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #22 May 29, 2003 Quote Well, I asked a certain camera flyer / AFF jump master we know to look it up, since clearly she ought to have a copy somewhere at her house. I'd be willing to cut her some slack since she's sick and all, but she's been working on her web site and posting, so she's clearly awake. ok....I was eating a bit of dinner....So other people can look it up, go to http://www.relativeworkshop.com. Their Vector Tandem Manual says exactly what my IRM says. Page: 95. "A: Participants qualifications For any relative worker to accompany a Tandem pair, the following criteria must be met. 1) Relative worker must have a minimum of 500 relative work skydives; or 2) Relative worker must be either a current Tandem Instructor or a current AFF Jumpmaster. 3) Relative worker must have made at least 100 relative work jumps in the last year. 4) Cameramen must meet all the above guidlines, and in addition, must have at least 100 camera jumps." ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #23 May 29, 2003 OK that's the reference I think I originally saw. And the Tandem Instructor Rating Course manual says in 4-5, 3. Minimum experience qualifications for tandem video flyers: 300 group freefall dives, 50 jumps flying camera with experienced jumpers. (Page Tandem 26) Then the SIM says (not specific to Tandem videography) in section 6-8 (recommendations)E., 1., c and d, D license and 50 recent jumps on the same equipment. SIM section six, page 137. Clearly there's no concensus, but the Tandem master is the parachutist in command, and could refuse to allow you out, I suppose. I prefer to let the decision lay with an experienced S & TA or similar, who preferably has experience both as a tandem master and as a video flier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #24 May 29, 2003 No matter what USPA says, however, it is the Tandem Manufacturer's say in who can jump with their tandem instructors on their gear. The highest denominator wins, hands down. ltdiver PS Wish someone had shown me this when I started flying camera. One DZ let me fly with their equipment (they had their own TSO), but I found out the hard truth when I came back home. Perris holds hard and fast to the rules, and their safety record stands by it. I still shudder when I remember reading the Incident Report a few years back when a son killed his mother. He had paid for her to do a tandem. He did RW camera work with the pair and tangled with the drogue... See Incident #14. Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #25 May 29, 2003 Quote I still shutter when I remember Lori, that's taking the whole camera thing to the extremeHorror story, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
