Stowing Excess Brakeline on Sun Path (Javelin) No Velcro Toggles

[quade 4]

Unstowed excess brakeline possess a significant entanglement hazard for camera flyers.

Here is the latest recommendations from Sun Path on how to deal with excess brakeline on their No Velcro toggles.

Sun Path is in the process of updating their manuals to include this information.

I'd like to thank James G Haggas (aggie) of Sun Path for sending this information to us pre-publication.

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[wlie 0]

I once thought whether it would be ok to use a rubber band for that matter. Figuring that I've never seen anyone do that, my idea might not be safe. Thoughts?

My other ride is the relative wind.

[quade 4]

Generally speaking, you can't go wrong following the manufacturer's recommendations.

Introducing a new element, such as a rubber band, could cause an issue that you haven't thought of yet.

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[skreamer 1]

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Here is the latest recommendations from Sun Path on how to deal with excess brakeline on their No Velcro toggles.

Nothing new for Wings owners then. (but of course Henri P. did design the first Javelin).

[blair700 0]

Example #2 (tape) is just like I have my G3 setup, except the extra pocket for the excess line is on the back of the riser, between the 2 pockets for the toggle tips.
Thanks Quade!
Blair

[rjackson 0]

Thanks Paul. I have always thought that was an issue with mine. I'm glad sunpath has a work around for it.

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[AndyMan 7]

Very cool to see them update this.

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[MrHixxx 0]

This is my "poor man's" method for stowing excess brake line. I take the loop to the outboard side of the riser, through the riser loop and around the top of the toggle before I put it into the elastic. This way I can grab my toggles freely without getting any of the excess around a finger.

-Hixxx

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[wlie 0]

Now that's a neat trick
Quade: You're right and I would never have tried my rubber band method without first running it by someone more knowledgeable first.

My other ride is the relative wind.

[PhreeZone 20]

I had mine like that till it got caught on the slink once as I was pulling it out and about half hitched around it.

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[MrHixxx 0]

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I had mine like that till it got caught on the slink once as I was pulling it out and about half hitched around it.

Interesting, are your slinks tacked to the riser or no?

-Hixxx

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[AggieDave 6]

I do something similar to that, but different, I'd take a pic, but I don't have a digital cam...

I take the excess loop and pull it around the riser (making a loop) and put the end of the loop over the top nipple of the riser then stow the nipple in the keeper.

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[lauril 0]

Posted this to the general forum too...

I've used that #1 method, stowing the excess to the lower elastic toggle keeper, it's a good and easy method, but it have to be stowed just like that, pointing from the rig to the canopy, if it's stowed pointing from the canopy to the rig, and you accidentally pull the toggle trough the loop of the excess line, it gets knotted around the elastic..

[PhreeZone 20]

No tacking, I swap canopies too often to tack them down.

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[Squeak 17]

2 weeks ago i had my rigger do a riser mod to the same design as method 2 with the trape, I however insert the bight of line in from the top.
Any comments on if this i a BAD thing??

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[blair700 0]

I've been doing it the same way for about the last 300 jumps with 0 problems, but that doesn't mean it will ALWAYS work....any other experiences with this method?
Blair

[apoil 0]

My new Javelin (March '03) has an elastic strip on the other side of the riser from the toggle.

This works extremely well for stowing the exess brakeline as it doesn't have to share space with the tabs on the toggles.

It would be an easy mod for a rigger to make to older Jav's.

[parachutesj 0]

Ok, here is a question: I've got the elastic setup (#1) on my Odyssey. My brake lines are a bit longer and if I do it like SP recommends it would look like A in my attachment. First of all, it is a pain in the ass to get it through but my main concern is, it will wear the brake lines a lot while stowing the bottom toggle tip. I just did it 3 or 4 times and you can see the wear already. What about my second attachment (B)? This would prevent the brake line excess from tangling a bit better than just leave them unstowed at all.

Or might be the best way to shorten the lines 6-7 inches and do it like SP recommends and forget about the wear?

Thanks
SJ

[PhreeZone 20]

If you shorten your brake lines the canopy will fly very differently and with 6 inches It will probally be in brakes while still in full flight.

I'd get your rigger to make the modification on the other side of the riser and do that.

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[tictoc 0]

One thing people don't think about is that when they let out their break linens dew to shrinkage they do not adjust their break settins while stowed. you might think about moving the eyelet for you break stow setting. this will remove some exess line without changing the normal flight of the canopy. It will change the opening's thought. I personaly don't like methoud B because the line is free to move all the way to the top of the togel. I have a piece of webing aded to my togel to keep my exess in.

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[skycat 0]

We modded all of our risers (including the ones with velcro) to the #2 method after Derek got his Micron which was set up like that.

Derek used to do his javalins the #1 method before this though.

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[johnny1488 1]

I was talking to aggie on the phone 2 weeks ago about this. The only thing I do different is fold the excess in half and feed it down through the bottom keeper and then put the toggle up through the same keeper. None of the excess finds it way out at all. I do this because I have a large amount of excess on my xfire.

Johnny
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[base704 0]

I've stowed mine like the first example for the last 250 jumps and had no problems...I thought evryone stowed the excess there...

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[quade 4]

In light of recent events I'd just like to remind everyone to always stow their excess brakeline according to the manufacturer's recommendations.

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[Samurai136 0]

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What about my second attachment (B)? This would prevent the brake line excess from tangling a bit better than just leave them unstowed at all.

Actually it's the same as leaving them unstowed (grasp the line below where you have the toggle stowed and pull straight down.) You should be looking at a stowed toggle that appears to be encircled by a loop.

The way you have the loop aligned it's a possibility for the loop to manuver during an opening sequence such that when you pull the toggle out of the keeper you'll have a half-hitched brakeline around the riser and a probable cut-away. I found a second way for it to actually knot around the riser from that starting configuration.

The point of figure (A)stowing of the toggle/line is to restrain the loop from moving to other possible configurations and forming the half-hitch or knot scenarios.
I use the controversial toggle stow method Hixxx posted a photo of above. I have my soft link tabs tacked down and have not had a problem in 400+ jumps. That configuration does not allow the loop to move and form possible brakeline knots or half hitches around the riser.

Ken

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