iceman88 0 #1 October 2, 2003 Hello people. I'm looking at buying a handcam and don't know where to buy or what sort?? if any one had any photos of a handcam, be wicked to see them to!! Thanks Junior Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 October 2, 2003 Is this going to be for skydiving or just to fool around with on the ground with the idea that -later- you might jump with it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iceman88 0 #3 October 2, 2003 It's for fooling around on the ground and maybe later for Jumping!! Junior Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #4 October 2, 2003 Take a look at the Sony TRV19 and TRV22. I dunno exactly how things work in NZ, but in the U.S. I'd tell people to go to an electronics store and lay their hands on one to get a look through it and a feel for it. Then I'd have them do a web search and try to buy one on-line for as little as possible. Both are nice, low cost cameras that can be jumped later on if that's what you decide you want to do.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tonyhays 86 #5 October 3, 2003 Are you referring to a handheld camcorder or a glove that holds a small camcorder?“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites monkeyKam 0 #6 October 3, 2003 I make a bullet camera kit (the "monkeyKamera") that uses the same quality imaging chip as many Sony TRV or PC cameras (including the low lux and IR capability). They have 480 lines of very high quality NTSC or PAL video, interchangeable lenses with angles of view from borderline fisheye to 60 or even 40 degrees. If I get it finalized, the package will include a Cam Eye II, a Pelican case, and belly pouch. The quality of the picture is better than the microMV standard and equal to miniDV. It's pretty much the same as extending the nose of your camera to where ever you want. It's a complete kit. I'm flying the prototype and it works like the actual TRV20 I use. The TRV sits in a belly pouch under my camera suit. the video signal cable is a standard RCA cable that breaks away at the collar. It works great and weighs nothing. On top of all that, there's plenty of real estate left on top of my helmet, now. It's super easry to rig it to any appendage you like, which makes for very cool (and safe for your recording camera) angles in your shots. It's also fun to put it on the end of a stick and poke it up out of the sun roof on your car. A suggestion, anyway... Later! Andy http://www.monkeykam.tv - freefall imagery so digital you can smell it! andy at monkeykam dot tv ( eight one three ) six two five - five six two five "I drank what?" --Sophocles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #7 October 3, 2003 Wanna send one to somebody for some independant testing?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites monkeyKam 0 #8 October 3, 2003 I have one for demo jumping at monkeyKam headquarters (currently moving to Skydive South Beach in Florida [Pahokee]). You can take it on test jumps and I'll help you rig it up. It's simple. When I get a moment to breathe, I'll put the official tech. specs. up and some sample clips and close-up screen shots on the web site (clicky). Andy "I drank what?" --Sophocles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masher 1 #9 October 6, 2003 If you're after the handcam glove, try http://www.waycool.com.au/-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpy 0 #10 October 9, 2003 QuoteTake a look at the Sony TRV19 and TRV22. And you've just answered my question I was going to ask in another thread... I was wondering on your opinion of eventually mounting this camera.. Its a little shorter then say a pc105.. but a little fatter.. Having never worn a camera helmet i have no idea how comfortable/uncomfortable this camera would be on a helmet.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Liemberg 0 #11 October 11, 2004 QuoteI make a bullet camera kit (the "monkeyKamera") that uses the same quality imaging chip as many Sony TRV or PC cameras (including the low lux and IR capability). They have 480 lines of very high quality NTSC or PAL video, interchangeable lenses with angles of view from borderline fisheye to 60 or even 40 degrees. If I get it finalized, the package will include a Cam Eye II, a Pelican case, and belly pouch. You mean like This? Smart idea. Mine works pretty OK with a Sony PC105e (in a belly pouch on the tandemstudents belly - the camera itself goes nicely underneath my handheld altimeter and it is easy to connect the camera + power as you hook up the student) They sell a lanc connector too, that enables you to start / stop / standby etcetera. (essentially the same technology as the cam-eye, I suppose...) Since I have the gadget less than a week and only made 2 jumps on the system it is a bit early to write a full review but: 1. I'm happy with the picture quality - yet it is less than "the modern standard" (PC105e itself has 1000000 pixels and this has 470000.) 2. You get "an awful lot of video-debris" - about a minute and a half hooking up, tightening straps, opening doors and climbing out - unrecognizable close-ups and unnatural camera points of view... 3. If you have the right angle for the freefall part (which I had with a 29mm lense) you have the wrong angle for the canopy part and for most of that film you get the impression of a 90 degree tilted camera. This has to do with being belly to earth in freefall and feet to earth under canopy. When you show the film 'as is' everybody looking will tilt their head during most of the canopy ride. (It should be possible to make the camera so that it can turn 90 degrees, since it is just a small tube...) 4. The 'natural grip' on the tandem steering toggles gives you a nice impression of your drogue, the back of your own head, the opposite riser and a part of your reserve container. Not very entertaining video, I'm afraid...Filming and steering at the same time is a bit of a nuisance (yes safety nazi's - steering is more important...hehehe...). 5. Briefing the passenger takes longer, since now there is video to connect and start. And your post jump routine changes (disconnect cables, switch of camera, disconnect shoulder hooks...) 6. "Oh my God, now I made all the cameraflyers jobless" 7. I never jumped with a camcorder in a glove, so I cannot compare. The bulletcam however has no tandem safety issues, none - you can retain the cameracable (which goes through your sleeve) under your own and the passengers chest strap and the bulletcam is 72mm long and 21mm diameter while weighing 210 grams. I wouldn't want a slammer opening on a tandem with one pound of camera standing upright on my left hand, but with this it is negligible. Sorry if I burst anyones bubble... "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beezyshaw 0 #12 October 12, 2004 Here are a couple of pictures of my setup. I use a Sony IP5 (MicroMV format), a Diamond 0.3 lens, and my glove was made by Rob Warner (riggerrob). The camera including battery and lens weighs 11 ounces. The weight is not even noticable. Someone mentioned they wouldn't want to have to suffer tandem openings with a camera on their hand, but you don't even know it's there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiveoc 0 #13 October 14, 2004 i think this glove would be greatly improved by angling the mount 20 degrees or so to the right. as it is shown, the cam is pointed 90 degrees to the arm. bringing it to the right would require less effort for the TM to "curl" his arm for the shot, thus reducing the image field. josh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beezyshaw 0 #14 October 14, 2004 That's a good point, Josh. I have what I think is Rob's first hand-cam glove. It was for sure a prototype. I've been using it for a couple of years, shot several hundred tandems with it, and they are all framed fine...but thinking about your suggestion, I would be able to extend my left arm a bit more and maybe capture a larger image. I'll talk to Rob about it, maybe I can get a good deal on an "upgrade" !! c 'ya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #15 October 16, 2004 hows ya toys! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #16 October 16, 2004 QuoteThat's a good point, Josh. I have what I think is Rob's first hand-cam glove. It was for sure a prototype. I've been using it for a couple of years, shot several hundred tandems with it, and they are all framed fine...but thinking about your suggestion, I would be able to extend my left arm a bit more and maybe capture a larger image. I'll talk to Rob about it, maybe I can get a good deal on an "upgrade" !! c 'ya >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, Beezy has one of my first prototypes. Since then I have sewn dozens more and incorporated that 30-40 degree twist that you recommend. I have made dozens of other minor improvements including changing the closure from a zipper to a strap. The strap is especially convenient when you have to swap gloves as the seasons change. Yes, it is awkward filming and keeping students in frame during final approach. I always keep steering my first priority and if I have any strength/brain cells remaining try to improve framing. The best solution seems to be thousands of push-ups and chin-ups. The more arm muscle you have to spare - after steering the canopy - the better you can frame the video. The Sony TRV 19 and 22 cameras mentioned by an earlier poster are last year's models. Sony replaced them in 2004 with their HC20, 30 and 40 models, which are 25% smaller and slightly less expensive. I bought a Sony HC 40 in June, have videoed 200 tandems with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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quade 4 #4 October 2, 2003 Take a look at the Sony TRV19 and TRV22. I dunno exactly how things work in NZ, but in the U.S. I'd tell people to go to an electronics store and lay their hands on one to get a look through it and a feel for it. Then I'd have them do a web search and try to buy one on-line for as little as possible. Both are nice, low cost cameras that can be jumped later on if that's what you decide you want to do.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #5 October 3, 2003 Are you referring to a handheld camcorder or a glove that holds a small camcorder?“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkeyKam 0 #6 October 3, 2003 I make a bullet camera kit (the "monkeyKamera") that uses the same quality imaging chip as many Sony TRV or PC cameras (including the low lux and IR capability). They have 480 lines of very high quality NTSC or PAL video, interchangeable lenses with angles of view from borderline fisheye to 60 or even 40 degrees. If I get it finalized, the package will include a Cam Eye II, a Pelican case, and belly pouch. The quality of the picture is better than the microMV standard and equal to miniDV. It's pretty much the same as extending the nose of your camera to where ever you want. It's a complete kit. I'm flying the prototype and it works like the actual TRV20 I use. The TRV sits in a belly pouch under my camera suit. the video signal cable is a standard RCA cable that breaks away at the collar. It works great and weighs nothing. On top of all that, there's plenty of real estate left on top of my helmet, now. It's super easry to rig it to any appendage you like, which makes for very cool (and safe for your recording camera) angles in your shots. It's also fun to put it on the end of a stick and poke it up out of the sun roof on your car. A suggestion, anyway... Later! Andy http://www.monkeykam.tv - freefall imagery so digital you can smell it! andy at monkeykam dot tv ( eight one three ) six two five - five six two five "I drank what?" --Sophocles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 October 3, 2003 Wanna send one to somebody for some independant testing?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkeyKam 0 #8 October 3, 2003 I have one for demo jumping at monkeyKam headquarters (currently moving to Skydive South Beach in Florida [Pahokee]). You can take it on test jumps and I'll help you rig it up. It's simple. When I get a moment to breathe, I'll put the official tech. specs. up and some sample clips and close-up screen shots on the web site (clicky). Andy "I drank what?" --Sophocles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #9 October 6, 2003 If you're after the handcam glove, try http://www.waycool.com.au/-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #10 October 9, 2003 QuoteTake a look at the Sony TRV19 and TRV22. And you've just answered my question I was going to ask in another thread... I was wondering on your opinion of eventually mounting this camera.. Its a little shorter then say a pc105.. but a little fatter.. Having never worn a camera helmet i have no idea how comfortable/uncomfortable this camera would be on a helmet.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #11 October 11, 2004 QuoteI make a bullet camera kit (the "monkeyKamera") that uses the same quality imaging chip as many Sony TRV or PC cameras (including the low lux and IR capability). They have 480 lines of very high quality NTSC or PAL video, interchangeable lenses with angles of view from borderline fisheye to 60 or even 40 degrees. If I get it finalized, the package will include a Cam Eye II, a Pelican case, and belly pouch. You mean like This? Smart idea. Mine works pretty OK with a Sony PC105e (in a belly pouch on the tandemstudents belly - the camera itself goes nicely underneath my handheld altimeter and it is easy to connect the camera + power as you hook up the student) They sell a lanc connector too, that enables you to start / stop / standby etcetera. (essentially the same technology as the cam-eye, I suppose...) Since I have the gadget less than a week and only made 2 jumps on the system it is a bit early to write a full review but: 1. I'm happy with the picture quality - yet it is less than "the modern standard" (PC105e itself has 1000000 pixels and this has 470000.) 2. You get "an awful lot of video-debris" - about a minute and a half hooking up, tightening straps, opening doors and climbing out - unrecognizable close-ups and unnatural camera points of view... 3. If you have the right angle for the freefall part (which I had with a 29mm lense) you have the wrong angle for the canopy part and for most of that film you get the impression of a 90 degree tilted camera. This has to do with being belly to earth in freefall and feet to earth under canopy. When you show the film 'as is' everybody looking will tilt their head during most of the canopy ride. (It should be possible to make the camera so that it can turn 90 degrees, since it is just a small tube...) 4. The 'natural grip' on the tandem steering toggles gives you a nice impression of your drogue, the back of your own head, the opposite riser and a part of your reserve container. Not very entertaining video, I'm afraid...Filming and steering at the same time is a bit of a nuisance (yes safety nazi's - steering is more important...hehehe...). 5. Briefing the passenger takes longer, since now there is video to connect and start. And your post jump routine changes (disconnect cables, switch of camera, disconnect shoulder hooks...) 6. "Oh my God, now I made all the cameraflyers jobless" 7. I never jumped with a camcorder in a glove, so I cannot compare. The bulletcam however has no tandem safety issues, none - you can retain the cameracable (which goes through your sleeve) under your own and the passengers chest strap and the bulletcam is 72mm long and 21mm diameter while weighing 210 grams. I wouldn't want a slammer opening on a tandem with one pound of camera standing upright on my left hand, but with this it is negligible. Sorry if I burst anyones bubble... "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beezyshaw 0 #12 October 12, 2004 Here are a couple of pictures of my setup. I use a Sony IP5 (MicroMV format), a Diamond 0.3 lens, and my glove was made by Rob Warner (riggerrob). The camera including battery and lens weighs 11 ounces. The weight is not even noticable. Someone mentioned they wouldn't want to have to suffer tandem openings with a camera on their hand, but you don't even know it's there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiveoc 0 #13 October 14, 2004 i think this glove would be greatly improved by angling the mount 20 degrees or so to the right. as it is shown, the cam is pointed 90 degrees to the arm. bringing it to the right would require less effort for the TM to "curl" his arm for the shot, thus reducing the image field. josh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beezyshaw 0 #14 October 14, 2004 That's a good point, Josh. I have what I think is Rob's first hand-cam glove. It was for sure a prototype. I've been using it for a couple of years, shot several hundred tandems with it, and they are all framed fine...but thinking about your suggestion, I would be able to extend my left arm a bit more and maybe capture a larger image. I'll talk to Rob about it, maybe I can get a good deal on an "upgrade" !! c 'ya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #15 October 16, 2004 hows ya toys! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #16 October 16, 2004 QuoteThat's a good point, Josh. I have what I think is Rob's first hand-cam glove. It was for sure a prototype. I've been using it for a couple of years, shot several hundred tandems with it, and they are all framed fine...but thinking about your suggestion, I would be able to extend my left arm a bit more and maybe capture a larger image. I'll talk to Rob about it, maybe I can get a good deal on an "upgrade" !! c 'ya >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, Beezy has one of my first prototypes. Since then I have sewn dozens more and incorporated that 30-40 degree twist that you recommend. I have made dozens of other minor improvements including changing the closure from a zipper to a strap. The strap is especially convenient when you have to swap gloves as the seasons change. Yes, it is awkward filming and keeping students in frame during final approach. I always keep steering my first priority and if I have any strength/brain cells remaining try to improve framing. The best solution seems to be thousands of push-ups and chin-ups. The more arm muscle you have to spare - after steering the canopy - the better you can frame the video. The Sony TRV 19 and 22 cameras mentioned by an earlier poster are last year's models. Sony replaced them in 2004 with their HC20, 30 and 40 models, which are 25% smaller and slightly less expensive. I bought a Sony HC 40 in June, have videoed 200 tandems with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
