Designer 0 #1 December 9, 2003 Humm,can,t seem to get to the money paying part?Giving nice pics away for christmas.Not charging certain people because of who they are!Damn,when am I gonna start thinking this is a business?ACK! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #2 December 9, 2003 I give away free video all the time to the people I jump with. Usually they are kind enough to provide VHS tape or even the occasional jump ticket. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airgord 1 #3 December 9, 2003 Because you give video work away for free you make it harder for those of us who make a living at it. Charge, even it is just the minimum. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #4 December 9, 2003 I don't do tandems and students. If I did, I wouldn't give that stuff away for free. I share with my friends and nothing more while I'm honing my skills. No thanks on charging them. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freekflyguy 0 #5 December 9, 2003 QuoteBecause you give video work away for free you make it harder for those of us who make a living at it. Charge, even it is just the minimum. As part of my job I am expected to film tandems and occasionaly AFF. I had to provide my own camerasuit, and although I am provided with a camera (PC8) and helmet I decided that investing in a FTP would provide better results than an ancient Protec with a home made top mount bracket. I also decided that I would build myself a PC edit suite (upgraded to prvide DVD), to improve on the straight linear edit with cheesy sound track we were providing. I have invested in a stills setup, and am currently the only stills jumper on the DZ. All together I have invested the best part of £2000 in my equipment and fair ammount of my free time. Unfortunately, the policy at my DZ is that no one may profit from working there. When I had a cell blow up on my canopy, I was expected to pay, all be it a nominal ammount for the repair (the centre emloys a rigger to repair centre but not personal equimpment). My response was to stop using my personal kit for flying camera. The result was the only one to suffer was me. Guess Ill be back to doing free camera work in the new year. BuzzIt's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 December 9, 2003 Quote As part of my job I am expected to film tandems and occasionaly AFF. . . . Unfortunately, the policy at my DZ is that no one may profit from working there. Where the heck is THIS?!? It's part of your "job" but you can't make a profit? How does that work - indentured servitude or something?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freekflyguy 0 #7 December 9, 2003 PM sent bud BuzzIt's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjf98 0 #8 December 9, 2003 Quote you make it harder for those of us who make a living at it. That's just market economics... deal with it. If you are that much better and so is your product than people will be willing to pay. If someone does it as a hobby, there product is just as good (or even satisfactory to those using it) than they get the work for less money. No skydiver should feel obligated to charge just to be "fair" to those trying to make a living at it. If the sport doesn't support all the people trying to do it full time.. well it doesn't that's just too bad. Nothing keeps someone from investing their own money and starting their own school and video program, and nothing keeps someone from not charging for doing the same. The fact is that when video counts I'll pay. I'm getting a known quality product and I'll have the commitment from the start. With money changing hands there is an additional feeling of responsibility for high quality from both parties. Just like charging for basic coach jumps all the time hurts the sport, so does charging for simply satisfactory video services. If I've got a friend and want to give him back the dough that I made from the AFF jump I took him on then I'm going to do it. If I've got a friend and they are doing student solos and I through in a coach jump on my own dime... so what? END RANT If the services that you provide are superior then you can charge whatever you want. Just ask those that employ the likes of Norman Kent and Tom Sanders... I bet they wouldn't dream of hiring the average joe freebie camera guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #9 December 10, 2003 >>Just ask those that employ the likes of Norman Kent and Tom Sanders... I bet they wouldn't dream of hiring the average joe freebie camera guy. << Nor would the average skydiver feel comfortable saying "Hey, Norm, I've got a wierd turn thing ogoing on in my sit. Would you mind filming me this jump so we can watch it on IMAX and figure it out? " Edited because I am a moron. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
