grega 0 #1 January 17, 2004 -Sony PC8 (MiniDV, weighs around 600g) -Sony IP5 (MicroMV, weighs around 350g) price is exactly the same for me, both have 800K CCD, IP5 is a little smaller than PC8,... Which camera would you choose and why?"George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StefB 0 #2 January 17, 2004 PC8, because it is MiniDV and i want no hassle when doing nonlinear video edits. Stefan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grega 0 #3 January 17, 2004 hassle with Nonlinear video edits? do you mind explaining what is that "George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #4 January 17, 2004 Grega, micro DV is a pain in the ass to edit and you can't firewire it, and plain ole just don't get one. Most everybody is shooting Sony mini- DV. You'll just be much more compatable if you use that format. JP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyfly 0 #5 January 17, 2004 Check out Sony's website- they have the new IP1 -with Firewire support - It's still no MiniDV so I doubt if you can firewire cam-to-cam with a miniDV (although I'm not 100% sure you cant) it's still all good for NLE ! - I wouldnt go ahead yet and get one, but it's getting there (keeping my PC9 for now...)Be Simple, Be Creative, Bee! Sharon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 January 18, 2004 The signal that comes out of a miniDV camera is what is known generically as DV25. DV25 if a very widely supported video signal. It is electronically the same as the professional DVCam by Sony and DVCPro by JVC. The IP series of cameras also have a FireWire -port- and will connect to computers, but the signal is NOT compatable with DV25 products or programs such as iMovie, Final Cut, Premier or AVID. To my knowledge, ONLY Sony makes an editing software for the IP signal. On that basis alone I would not recommend any IP cameras for generic camera flying. I -do- see where the IP cameras may have some special use applications.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyfly 0 #7 January 18, 2004 agree 100%. But like I wrote, and I still carry the same thought - IP or better yet - MicroDV is not "there" yet today. But it's moving in the right direction. Then again - you have Panasonic, that already have an HD camera operating tapeless !!! directly to magazines of SD cards. So , maybe we wont ever need MicroDV , or any other tape format in the near future. Still waiting for the non-moving-parts miniHD camera (it's coming ... its coming)Be Simple, Be Creative, Bee! Sharon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #8 January 18, 2004 QuoteTo my knowledge, ONLY Sony makes an editing software for the IP signal. On that basis alone I would not recommend any IP cameras for generic camera flying. I -do- see where the IP cameras may have some special use applications. Well Quade knows what he's talking about so we'll asume he's correct.. check out http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=863857;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread about sony software Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 January 18, 2004 Just an observation from working with Sony broadcast products for the last 20 or so years. Their cameras and tape transports (VCRs) are the best there are. Hardware generally fantastic -- software generally sucks. Where the software usually fails is in the human interface. In other words, the software usually -can- perform all the things it advertises, but you have to jump through hoops to make it happen, go -deep- into menus just to find the record button for instance and maybe you have to come from a different culture to have your brain work the way the software expects it to. Does anybody else have a recent model Sony camera (trv22 for instance)? Why is the VCR mode record button burried on menu page 3 of the LCD screen? And that's just typical of the stupid Sony software for the good stuff that works the best! Once you get into pure computer software -- you're in for a whole new world of suckage.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #10 January 18, 2004 QuoteOnce you get into pure computer software -- you're in for a whole new world of suckage. Well said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #11 January 18, 2004 Quote Does anybody else have a recent model Sony camera (trv22 for instance)? Why is the VCR mode record button burried on menu page 3 of the LCD screen? . 'Cos they expect you to use the remote?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 January 18, 2004 Quote 'Cos they expect you to use the remote? Give that a shot and get back to me will ya? It's simply not logical. At least, not to me. There should never be a piece of consumer electronics that requires a person to use the easily lost remote. Of course, we all know that's not always the case and those manufacturers should be flogged. A few years ago, Sony had dedicated buttons right on the small consumer cameras and dang it if the record button was right there always ready for you to immediately press. Now with the LCD screen buttons, it's buried in the menus. Again, hardware implementations -- good. Software -- works, but figuring out how it works and it actually being easily usable -- not so good. This isn't to say I'm going to switch camera manufacturers anytime soon. Sony still makes the best stuff out there.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #13 January 18, 2004 Hehe... getting my PC110 was good since I HATE those LCD buttons. There is a price to be paid for getting the smallest stuff out there. The PC330 has a record button but the 105 requires use of the LCD.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StefB 0 #14 January 18, 2004 Sorry if "hassle" is the wrong word or expression. MicroMV is not compatible with the most NLE software tools used today. You get a lot of tools for MiniDV NLE, even free ones. But there are rather few tools for MicroMV (Sonys product, Pinnacle Studeio 8, Ulead Video Studio 7) and these three are -hmm- "entry level". Stefan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaGimp 0 #15 January 18, 2004 ok now my .02C I have a TRV-22 and an IP-5 it is true that you cant firewire from the IP-5 (MicroDV) to a MiniDV, BUT you can transfer video Via the S-Video cable of the IP-5....granted the camera you are transfering to has an S-video port, which i think most of the PC and TRV series does. IP-5 also does NOT have nightshot or capability for a night lamp. Nor does it have a Lan port to hook up a CamEye. Hope this helps some."Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #16 January 18, 2004 You're such a giver, Jake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grega 0 #17 January 19, 2004 So none rally cares about the weigh of the camera. It's only 310g. I guess all the downsides overcome the lightweight "George just lucky i guess!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 January 19, 2004 The weight difference is roughly double, but but the reality is the heavier camera is still pretty light and nearly insignificant as a factor. Now, if you where going to mount maybe , two video cameras, a couple of strobes and two still cameras, every ounce would count, but just for casual work, you'll never really notice the difference. THE major factors I'd be conserned with are: Which camera has the highest quality recorded image available for me to use the way I need to use it. The PC and TRV cameras win hands down over the IP models. Which camera fits by budget? The TRV is the least expensive. Which camera can I get tapes for? MiniDV tapes are available in a lot of places -- MicroDV tapes not so. MiniDV tapes are also less expensive. There are other factors as well, but all the cameras are so light and small, that those aren't usually the ones I'd care about. About the only time I'd really worry about it would be for some special application like a wrist mount, but PC cameras seem to be just fine for that as well.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
