Video of cameraflyer's exit

[riro 0]

Been reading a lot about different exit for 4-ways.

Anyone who knows where I can find some video of the different exit-types? (With the cameraflyer in frame)

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[DaGimp 0]

video of exits.......not that i know of....but there are two basic exits.....from my stand point as an otter DZ.....you can either leave a split second before the group does and catch them comming down the hill...or you can trail them.....peel off the plane just after then and follow them down the hill.

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[freefalle 0]

I havent seen any either, Id guess they would be a little hard to get. It would be cool if someone had some to look at though I think a you could learn alot by watching one. They have trainning camps for everything else, someone should come up with one for people wantting to learn to fly camera.

[quade 4]

It is -difficult- to get good illustrative video of the camera flyer while he's actually shooting a team. Teams get in the way and it's difficult to get in the proper position to see what's going on.

Probably the very best thing to do is get your hands on any of the Nationals tapes from the last few years and watch what the view point of the camera is. You'll notice -three- basic exits: leading, trailing and what is variously called: the semi-peel, the 90 or the 3 o'clock.

If you watch video from Airspeed or Majik, they'll -mostly- shoot leading exits. If you watch the Golden Knights you'll see they shoot the semi-peel almost to the exclusion of everything else.

Coaches like leading exits. It makes it easier for them to debrief and "looks pretty". It's also more dangerous because if the exit is mistimed, the camera flyer can hit the team. It's also more difficult to time the exit consistantly -- especially certain exits with "hidden" counts or if the tail flyer leads the plane exceptionally early, which they may do intentionally in an attempt to "fix" a problem. It can be ugly.

JUDGES -- want to see the grips. They don't care what exit you use.

For certain exits, you may want to do one thing for practice purposes and for safer judging, you may want to do something different in competition.

I've been meaning to write a bit more on the subject, but havent't had the time in the last few days. If you have any specific questions, ask.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[nacmacfeegle 0]

Anti Gravity has a nice sequence of the battle between the French and US 8 way teams at world level in Gap from a few years back.
A lot of their exits were filmed from an acompanying aircraft, and shows some stuff that may be beneficial.

And its a pretty cool movie for entertainment.

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[skysurfcam 0]

http://www.omniskore.com/video_tips.htm is more good reading on this

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[quade 4]

Gack! It's 1:50 am and I'm waiting for my silly computer to render graphics. Guess it's time to jot down another note on camera exits.

Ok, so, speaking of time . . .

When a formation exits you can think of your position relative to it like the hands on a clock. Leading from a Twin Otter (if everything goes correctly) will place you somewhere at the bottom of the exiting formation or 6 O'Clock. The top of the formation would be 12 O'Clock and the Twin Otter itself -was- on the 3 O'Clock position, but is now rapidly moving towards 12 and out of frame. Ideally, you are gaining altitude relative to the formation as it comes down the hill and the formation is rapidly decending below your horizon. The closer you are and the quicker this happens the better it is for everyone.

The trailing exit will have you at the 12 O'Clock position as you follow the formation down the hill. This is a better exit for 8-way as there are simply too many things that can go wrong and you're far apt to not see all the grips -and- whack into the formation. It -can- work for 4-way, but you may find a lot of resistance from coaches and team mates if this is all you can do and use it exclusively. It -does- have its uses.

By far, the exit I personally would prefer over anything is the one that places me at the 3 O'Clock position. With this type of exit I can be very close and see all of the grips continously. I'm pretty sure this is the reason you see it used so much by the Golden Knights. There -are- pitfalls for this exit as well. In order for it to work, the team -must- launch away from the plane and they must all do so at the same time. If you've planned to use this exit and the tail flyer comes off the plane a bit early, he'll drag the team out of the plane and very close to it leaving you no room whatsoever. You'll either then whack the team, or delay your exit enough to try to salvage it by trailing. And, since the tail left early, the eixt is also probably going to be presented to the wind -very - steeply, so you might end up at too flat of an angle to see all the grips.

Generally speaking, tails leaving early is a -bad- thing from the camera flyer's perspective. No matter what exit the camera flyer is trying to do, if the tail leaves too early . . . the camera flyer is hosed. Teams might not understand this and most coaches won't either. It took me quite awhile to figure it out.

Oooo . . . looky . . . the render is done and if it's good, I'm going to sleep. I'll write more later.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[riro 0]

Thanx for the input quade (and everyone else)...

As i mentioned before I been reading a lot about different types of exits...
I think I got it... but as in everything it's a lot easier to have a video of a rather complex motion then to read about it.

So, to you all... If anyone have a chance to get it on to a tape, please do and mail/pm me.

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