ltdiver 3 #26 June 9, 2004 QuoteI have a video I shot a month ago for an AFF level 1 training where the student and the instructor had to chop. Damn! Who's your packer?! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingarab 0 #27 June 9, 2004 haa..no shit! I packed my own on that one and two dif packers packed both the other ones. And get this..they were both girlfriends of the guys who jumped them. Ahh they are both awesome packers it was just a freak thing and made for some great conversation later. Oh..the joy of finding two canopies on one jump. Sheesh!Sincerely, FlyingArab www.flyingarab.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #28 June 9, 2004 QuoteOh..the joy of finding two canopies on one jump. Sheesh! I was working at a small C-182 DZ in the desert when we had a tandem cutaway somewhere over a golf course's outback...rough...whatever they call it. The DZO and TI were awesome readers of the winds and flight characteristics of fabric! We found the main within 30 minutes! The freebag and pc were another story! It took us 2 hours but we finally spotted it! White fabric on a light colored desert....on top of a 20 foot wash! 7 miles away... We had very few cutaways that season. Found every one of 'lost' items! Even a frap hat that one TI had taken off and dropped as he flew the canopy down (he had a habit of taking off his frap hat after securing an operable main...he would hook it to his harness and enjoy the breeze in his hair :^) ). ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #29 June 9, 2004 QuoteI backfly the opening, throw a peace sign, continue the backflip, put my altimeter in the camera's view, track toward the DZ and dump in a track at 2500. Hope you have a crosswind drop run as tracking down the drop run can cause problems. Pulling my Velo in track may have been the cause of my last two reserves. However if I did all of that stuff I would land consistently off. The guest then gets no video of the landing So what I do is.... as soon as the TM waves off I go into a backtrack. This generates about 60ft of horizontal seperation. I also film the opening from this back track, eventually more or less falling in a kneeling position. Then I dump my canopy. The openings are admitedly filmed from a distance, but at least I get the canopy snivel and the guest in the frame. I have only done one vid where the TM had a reserve and he never went below me. A problem with tracking to far is that Tandems (at least at my DZ) go out after the solo students. We have inexperienced students sliding all over the place and pulling at 4000 to 5000 ft. I, as the vidiot, am pulling generally at the height where the students already have opened canopys. I have had some close calls. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YahooLV 0 #30 June 9, 2004 I'll be available for technical advice on Sat. C-U-Soonhttp://www.curtisglennphotography.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #31 June 9, 2004 Of course, I have yet to have a tandem master hose me on the spot after a few hundred video jumps, so maybe I'm spoiled. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are spoiled! What with air traffic controllers often not giving us permission to drop until we are over the bowl and a dozen fun jumpers taking their sweet time climbing out, long spots for the last tandem are the norm at Pitt Meadows. On a good day, the TI will point down to remind the photographer that he has a miserable spot, encouraging him to open high. We still ask for some horizontal separation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slayer21016 2 #32 June 12, 2004 You can do everything right on a Skydive and still die. I would bet money if you do not change the way you fly TDM videos it would never happen to you again, but I've meet a few people who have nothing but bad luck and I do wonder why?. Scott "Two wrongs don't make a Wright, But two Wrights made a plane" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #33 June 12, 2004 Quoteas soon as the TM waves off I go into a backtrack. This generates about 60ft of horizontal seperation. I also film the opening from this back track, eventually more or less falling in a kneeling position. Then I dump my canopy. The openings are admitedly filmed from a distance, but at least I get the canopy snivel and the guest in the frame. I have only done one vid where the TM had a reserve and he never went below me. How do you go from a backtrack to a kneeling position? Or did you mean you start to backslide when the TM waves off, and then sit up on your knees to watch the opening? QuoteA problem with tracking to far is that Tandems (at least at my DZ) go out after the solo students. We have inexperienced students sliding all over the place and pulling at 4000 to 5000 ft. I, as the vidiot, am pulling generally at the height where the students already have opened canopys. I have had some close calls. yikes... how close? give them more seperation time on exit. It's better to be a little further out or land out than to risk a collision. Or ask for a go around. If you land out, a good TM will land next to you for the video. peace lewhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #34 June 14, 2004 QuoteIf you land out, a good TM will land next to you for the video. By out you mean still on the DZ, right? If the video guy lands off, but I can land my tandem on the DZ, then I'm landing the tandem on the DZ. I will in no way land a tandem off on purpose just so the video guy can get the landing shot, why the risk just for a video?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #35 June 14, 2004 QuoteOr did you mean you start to backslide when the TM waves off, and then sit up on your knees to watch the opening? Backslide is what I mean, long arms, short legs. Quotegive them more seperation time on exit. The only sure way is to wait for them to land before the tandem jumps. This is not practical. QuoteIf you land out, a good TM will land next to you for the video. This is the last thing I expect a TM to do. The TM's job is to land the passenger safely and on the DZ if possible. If I don't make it back to the DZ, that's my problem. Anyway, if I don't make it back, the TM is not going to make it back either. The TM may have a 1000 ft more altitude, but flying a Tandem in deep brakes is far more exhausting than flying a velocity in deep brakes I can land in any direction, tandems need to turn into the wind for their landings. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #36 June 14, 2004 Well, you should land out if it is in a safe spot so that the guy that just paid $85.00 can have a shot of himself landing. I am not saying in an area that you feel uncomfortable in, but landing beside your video guy I think is the job of the TM. ~Chachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #37 June 14, 2004 Quote landing beside your video guy I think is the job of the TM. Sure, if the vidiot landed on the DZ, in a safe area, I'll work with him/her. If they landed off, as in off field. Tough. The tandem student paid $80 for a video, but he/she also paid $200 to have a skydive and trusted ME for their safety. It would be the acme of foolishness to jeapordize that for a video. Quite frankly, if a TM landed off on purpose with a tandem just for the video and the student got hurt, that could very well be viewed as gross negligence in court. Guess what the assumption of risk agreement (aka waiver) doesn't cover?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #38 June 14, 2004 QuoteQuote landing beside your video guy I think is the job of the TM. Sure, if the vidiot landed on the DZ, in a safe area, I'll work with him/her. If they landed off, as in off field. Tough. The tandem student paid $80 for a video, but he/she also paid $200 to have a skydive and trusted ME for their safety. It would be the acme of foolishness to jeapordize that for a video. I'm with AggieDave on this one, you do not land off with a tandem unless there is no other way. It's the videographers task to get back to the DZ, that's why you look after you filmed the opening. I've landed off where the tandem I was filming did land on the DZ, one of the other camerafliers working for the video concession saw me landing off and ran out into the landing area with his camera, or one of the other camera fliers on the load would get the landingshot for me. Help each other out in situations like this, and never ever jeopardize the safety of the student for a video. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chachi 0 #39 June 15, 2004 I guess I should put this in perspective. Arguing on the internet is so tedious sometimes. I guess I mean an ajacent field to the dz or some other completely safe place. You guys are right, there is absolutely no reason to put a tandem in any risk for a shot. I just know my dz. We always have the worst spots due to the International Airport flight line restrictions we face. So, tandems sometimes go very very very long and sometimes we can't float back. We do have these grat fields though adjacent to the runways that sometimes I will ditch into and our TM's land beside us in this case. When I say it is the job, I fell in the right circumstances it is. In a backyard or a playground, no, TM should take the safe choice obviously. Huge filed, another story IMO. ~Chachi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
docjohn 0 #40 June 16, 2004 After filming 500+ tandems, I figured I was bullet proof. I recently filmed a video, sat up and filmed their deployment until they disappeared into the sun, then dumped because I knew the spot was long. I pulled a good 5 seconds after they did. Sure enough, while I'm stowing my slider, a snivelling tandem goes whizzing past me, missing me by what looked like less than 50 feet. I really thought I was going to watch a tandem cutaway but it was just a mean sniveller. Do I track after a tandem dive? I do now! Doc http://www.manifestmaster.com/video Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #41 June 16, 2004 sorry - need to clarify... I meant of course only if it was a big safe open area which the TM is familiar with. peace lewhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #42 June 17, 2004 Most of the time we stay on top of loads where there are tandems, and where the spot may wind up being long... If we see a fellow cameraperson unable to make it back to the landing area,,, we do our best to cover for her or him.... another videographer from the load ( who DOES Make it back ) or else a videographer who was NOT on the load,,, will hustle out to shoot the students' landing and post jump comments.....We ALL have cameras with firewire capability,, so as soon as the designated camera person gets a ride back,,, we will feed that footage right onto his or her camcorder,,, and they are good to go,, for editing....It's just good teamwork.... .BUT you have to be paying attention,, whenever there are tandems and vids, on a load.... p s I would agree,, that the TM should be looking to "get back" each and every time he of she has a student..... especially if that student has friends, or family who may be waiting at the DZ for the landing to be within their sight....... land the student way OFF the field.... and ALOT of those folks,,, get upset.... and then they worry.....and can come away with a less than great impression........ as for the track question,,,,,, not in the conventional way.... but I do backslide or sideslide, and let my eyes tell me when I have increased the horizontal separation to a point with which I am comfortable... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ltdiver 3 #43 June 17, 2004 QuoteIf we see a fellow cameraperson unable to make it back to the landing area,,, we do our best to cover for her or him... Very nice idea. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
ltdiver 3 #43 June 17, 2004 QuoteIf we see a fellow cameraperson unable to make it back to the landing area,,, we do our best to cover for her or him... Very nice idea. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
