alan 1 #26 April 17, 2003 QuoteShe suggested that I suspend the risers and do some practice cut aways on the ground..... I did this and the cables slide out quite nicely... they don't catch on anything and there is pleanty of slack in the housings...even when the risers are pulled tightly above my head. I know that later in this thread you have made a choice to get the conversion, so just for fun, try putting line twists into it so the risers are twisted at least once. Have two friends hang onto you so all three of you are suspended by the risers. Now try to cut away. The two friends should simulate the G forces you may encounter in a spinning mal that gets to the point of twisting up your risers.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vmsfreaky1 0 #27 April 17, 2003 Hi, I am by no means more experienced, however in the interests of discussion I'll continue. I beleive hard housings are the way to go, you mentioned that there are "so called problems" with soft housings, from what i have read, heard and experienced they DO have problems, I guess you've read those posts as well. If your more interested in "look" as opposed to function then that can cause problems as well. In a pressure situation which skydiving is anyway, to have an emergency ontop of that and then find Ahh fuck i shouldda got hard housings is gonna be hard to live with. This is just what i think, grains of salt as always. Cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fundgh 0 #28 April 17, 2003 Do you mean to tell him, us, me... that "looks" don't prevent mals, or make all of your skydives ....cool? ...FUN FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #29 April 17, 2003 QuoteThe hard housing retrofit from RI results in the hybrid housings you already have, it does not replace the soft housing that goes from the mud flap to the retaining loop and grommet...unless they have changed them recently. I've retro-fitted a few recently and the kits were for full hard housings, no hybrids. the PMP is dated Spet 27, 2001 and is Procedure #1243A. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #30 April 17, 2003 Ha! Man does time fly when you get old! I just looked up my PMP and it is dated Jan. 1, 1997! I could have sworn it was just last year. It is procedure 1243 and even describes it as the "Hybrid" Metal 3-Ring Release Housing Retrofit. Now I have to wonder if that option is even still available. As someone else posted, it was very easy and inexpensive to do at repack time. What does the new kit cost? I can't imagine it is much more work. While we're on the topic, I advised a friend to get the hard riser inserts for his new VooDoo (2002). My earlier version (5/7/01) came standard with the metal inserts. He went to Eloy in Feb and visited RI. They sold him the plastic tube inserts. What happened to the metal inserts? alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #31 April 17, 2003 LOL- They must have revised it. The kit wasn't expensive. I'm not sure of the exact amount, but $20.00-ish. Very easy retro-fit. I don't know if RI ever had metal inserts for the risers. RWS inserts are the way to go though. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #32 April 17, 2003 QuoteI don't know if RI ever had metal inserts for the risers. RWS inserts are the way to go though. I thought RI pioneered hard inserts years ago for their CRW rig and quietly had them as an option for all of their rigs. I know my Voodoo made in May of 01 came standard with the small diameter metal inserts and they have the metal cap on the end, pretty much the same as the RWS inserts. Bill? Sandy? Brenda? Anybody? A little history, please.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #33 April 17, 2003 QuoteI thought RI pioneered hard inserts years ago for their CRW rig and quietly had them as an option for all of their rigs. I know my Voodoo made in May of 01 came standard with the small diameter metal inserts and they have the metal cap on the end, pretty much the same as the RWS inserts. Works for me, RI metal & capped inserts and RWS metal & capped inserts are the way to go. Did RI switch to plastic? Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #34 April 17, 2003 QuoteDid RI switch to plastic? I don't know. When my friend came home from Eloy and showed me the plastic inserts he had purchased at the RI factory, my initial reaction was telling him to throw them away. He said for $10, they were better than nothing. I'm not sure I agree. I was disappointed because I like the inserts that came on my rig. I just visited their website and found no mention of riser inserts. Maybe I just missed it, i didn't go over every word. I would like to know though, so maybe I'll send an e-mail of to Eloy.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fundgh 0 #35 April 17, 2003 I bought some riser inserts from sq 1 and they had metal or plastic, I opted for the plastic for now. I was surprised, they were merely some teflon tubing diagonally cut, and some instructions. They will be better than nothing, but I could have done em for free! ...FUN FOR ALL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #36 April 17, 2003 Scott, It wasn't broke when someone fixed it with soft housings. Booth designed a cutaway "system" with several component parts. That system has worked great for many years. Why in the world would anyone want to take one component from that system and change it. Soft housing do not improve or fix anything and have be proven to be a problem. Why do you think they are not around anymore. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #37 April 18, 2003 QuoteScott, It wasn't broke when someone fixed it with soft housings. Booth designed a cutaway "system" with several component parts. That system has worked great for many years. Why in the world would anyone want to take one component from that system and change it. Soft housing do not improve or fix anything and have be proven to be a problem. Why do you think they are not around anymore. Sparky >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skydivers are always trying to fit stuff that isn't broken in an effort to make their gear smaller, lighter or flashier. Soft release housings were any effort to reduce weight and eliminate a production bottle neck. Too bad Sun Path did not publish illustrated instructions until several years after they introduced soft housings on Javelins. I place the blame for 90% of soft housing problems on Sun Path's technical publications department. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #38 May 1, 2003 I e-mailed some questions to RI about the riser inserts. I don't think Sandy will mind if I paste his reply in here. QuoteIn regards, your question concerning the metal vs. the Teflon tubes. We changed some time ago to using the straight PTFE (Teflon) tubing for its low friction. We ran extensive tests and found they work very well. This tubing is the same we used with our soft housing configuration. It's easier to cut and install than the metal housings. In regards the history of the riser tubes, you're right. We were the first to do them for our CRW risers. The risers also had a stiffener built into the riser to prevent twisting in addition to the tubes. We still build them for our CRW Talon configuration. Hope this helps your inquisitive mind. Best Regards, Sandy Contact RI at info@rigginginnovations.com sandy@rigginginnovations.com brenda@rigginginnovations.com alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
