Dumping footage at Nationals.

[Deuce 1]

Anybody know what the procedure is going to be?

Are the camera fliers going to provide a tape to the judges, or are we going to be dumping via firewire?

This is my first trip to Nationals. Any other helpful advice or tips from the veterans?

Thanks,

JP

[jdhill 0]

Last time I went, you plugged your camera in to their setup and they judged it live while they taped it... bring your own AV cable, just in case what they have is different...

J

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

[YahooLV 0]

Usually, camera will dump to video tape using firewire right after jumping. BTW< don't forget to shoot the jump header BEFORE each jump!

http://www.curtisglennphotography.com

[YahooLV 0]

Also, you'll be asked to dump fotage down to a master tape for backup. Wire Hook ups are generally consistant between cameras, and should pose no problem. Most likely there will be a wire available.

http://www.curtisglennphotography.com

[Kwoo 0]

Duece,

email me at KSWould@aol.com

I want to warn you about the team you're doing video for......
The Foxes rock!

This is Karen, and I wish I could be with my team instead of you. Thanks for coming through for us.

[diablopilot 2]

They are gonna be using the Omniskore system I believe. You'll dub down a firewire to their harddrive right after each jump. Make sure you video the "slate" before each jump (I go for 4 or 5 seconds) and make sure you've shot lead footage before climb out.

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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

[Deuce 1]

Hey, JP, I'm going with both of my PC120's mounted. Can you confirm that they will only take one submission?

I have two different wide angles, a .3 and a .5, but I'll crank the .3 up if it can only be used if the primary camera busts.

[quade 4]

You -MUST- slate your video tape before boarding the plane and it's standard practice to not shoot additional footage between the slate and your climbout. You MUST shoot a portion of the door so the judges can determine when to start the clock. Seems fairly obvious, but you'd be surprised how often this doesn't happen.

When you get down, drop off your rig and head -straight- to the dubbing station. Do NOT pass go. Do NOT collect $200. Just go to the freekin' dubbing station. You will be allowed to choose which view to submit of your two cameras, if applicable, but you can ONLY submit one view.

As to the -exact- dubbing procedure, they should be taking it in FireWire, but bring your analogue cables just in case. (Like you really wouldn't have done that anyway?!?) You'll cue your camera and another person will start the recorders.

Do -NOT- use your freekin' IR remote to rewind and cue your tape! Other camera flyers are going to be dubbing and if you stop their camera in the middle of their dub by fooling around with your remote, it just slows down the process for everyone and we'll, er, I mean, they'll beat you up behind the hanger later.

ALL of this, as well as a few other minor video questions (like how to shoot block 12) will be discussed at the video briefing before the competition starts.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Deuce 1]

Thanks Q.

I figured most of that. We had the IR remote problem at Herc, and I taped over my IR reciever because of it.

See you soon.

[indyz 1]

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You will be allowed to choose which view to submit of your two cameras, if applicable, but you can ONLY submit one view.

Can the videographer/team watch the tapes before deciding which to submit?

[quade 4]

I -believe- in the past that has been frowned upon and that it was the responsibility of the camera flyer to choose which view represented the team's jump in the best way. At least that's what I remember from last year.

However, clarification of this would be something to discuss at the video briefing.

Personally, I think the team -shouldn't- be in that decision process as it slows the process down and has the potential to go against the spirit of SCM 1-16 B 4;

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After recording each jump, the videographer must turn off the video equipment and not operate it or remove the video tape until instructed to do so by the Chief Judge or designee.

The concept being, I believe, to ensure no cheating.

I urge -all- camera flyers to download the SCM and read the sections of it which pertain to their particular discipline. You can do so HERE. Just be aware that in practice, things may be slightly different than how you may initially interpret what has been written. For example, yes, you -can- operate the camera to choose which view to dub.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[foxyroxtail 0]

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You -MUST- slate your video tape before boarding the plane...

ALL of this, as well as a few other minor video questions (like how to shoot block 12)

12 is no worries for you JP - we're in Intermediate. And we'll help you remember to slate. Last year they had boards up at the loading tents, which was a huge help.

Pam

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[chachi 0]

uhhh, stoopid question, but what's block 12, i've heard it twice mentioned. is it that tough to catch?

~Chachi

[ltdiver 3]

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uhhh, stoopid question, but what's block 12, i've heard it twice mentioned. is it that tough to catch?

~Chachi

Take a look at this Omniskore's page and scroll down to the time 1850. Ted has some links that the teams and judges react upon there.

In simplistic form (have to run out the door in a few for the DZ)....block 12, Zipper-Star, need to -not- cross it's centerpoint grips during the 'inter' of the block. Some teams were finding it 'faster' to go steep and have the cameraflyer film a certain angle and try to help with this possibility. It's a very controversial subject and block in which the judges and teams seem to have different interpretations on how to fly it.

When it all comes out in the wash, however, it's the judges who win.

So, in this block, play it a bit on the 'safe' side if you and your team don't want to be busted.

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[Rdutch 0]

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ALL of this, as well as a few other minor video questions (like how to shoot block 12) will be discussed at the video briefing before the competition starts.

Id watch out with block 12, the judges didn't care for any movement from the cameramen at the world meet and it cost the French and USA. They as it seemed thought the teams were trying to cheat.

The video debreif! Oh no! Unfortunately its mandatory but did I say oh no! It should take 10 minutes to get it done, but for some reason it takes 2 hours because if you give people a chance to ask questions they will ask the stupidest questions that have no point whatsoever "Is it ok to use a Pc1 cause they havent sold them for a while." Or "what kind of lense should I be using". My all time favorite is "If were halfway through the jump and my camera dies do we get a re-jump" that would be a NO!
Im sure in your years of Nationals youve heard some good ones also.
If your at Nationals the only questions you should ask is "where do I dub, and where is the slate".

Ray
Small and fast what every girl dreams of!

[quade 4]

Well, we're already having quite a few little discussions about block 12 among some of us. For instance . . . where in the rules does it say that the camera flyer must stay on any particular heading thoughtout the entire dive? It doesn't! As far as I'm concerned, the camera flyer can orbit the entire skydive . . . some crappy camera flyers do and I've never seen them busted specifically for that.

Anyway, we're definately asking the question and that meeting isn't going to end until we get a definitive answer on how they want it shot.

Don't nobody worry about it . . . -I'll- ask the question for you.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Deuce 1]

Q-dog, that's an open maneuver only, right? Not intermediate?

[lewmonst 0]

What about advanced class? Are there block 12's in advanced?

And Quade, speaking of heading... Would you said the perfect leading exit give the perfect heading? Is that tail on top?
And if the camera flyer peels or semi-peels, would it be better to stick with the off-heading resulting from the peel or to half orbit to the appropriate heading?

thanks
lewlew

http://www.exitshot.com

[ltdiver 3]

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What about advanced class? Are there block 12's in advanced?

And Quade, speaking of heading... Would you said the perfect leading exit give the perfect heading? Is that tail on top?
And if the camera flyer peels or semi-peels, would it be better to stick with the off-heading resulting from the peel or to half orbit to the appropriate heading?

thanks
lewlew

Yes, Block 12 is in the Advanced dive pool.

It would -seem- like a peeled exit would be preferred for this block, as you state. However, that's not how we're doing it. It also depends on the rest of the formations in that particular Round...Block 12 just might end up 180 from it's original heading on the 2nd page from when it was taken out the door as the exit formation.

My team has a strategy and we're sticking to it. One thing I -can- share is that once the block starts there will be -no- heading change by the camera flyer. Majic got busted for this at the World Meet just last week (among other things).

ltdiver

Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

[quade 4]

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What about advanced class? Are there block 12's in advanced?

Open and Advanced have the -exact- same draw of formations during the competition. If it shows up in Open (and odds are that it wil), then you're doing it in both. Intermediate has several fewer blocks and a different draw of them for the competition. Block 12 is not included in the Intermediate dive pool.

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And Quade, speaking of heading... Would you said the perfect leading exit give the perfect heading? Is that tail on top?
And if the camera flyer peels or semi-peels, would it be better to stick with the off-heading resulting from the peel or to half orbit to the appropriate heading?

I tend to think of camera exits and their relationship to the formation in terms of a clock face. An early leading exit -will- put you at the 6 o'clock position. A late peel -will- put you at the 12 o'clock. This is not in relationship to the point and tail of the formation, but rather the formation's relationship to gravity on exit.

Some formations have a tendancy to rotate on exit. Meeker, for example, has a tendancy towards counter-clockwise rotation -- even on very good teams.

Whatever my relationship to the formation is on exit, that's what I keep for the entire skydive. A north to south jumprun with a leading exit will keep you looking south the entire skydive.

My goal is to actually shoot for a 3 o'clock exit. For this to work out exactly right, the team has to launch a little away from the plane. Some formations don't do that very well as they are engineered by most teams. These are the same formations that have a tendancy to screw up a leading exit as well, but I can usually then delay just slightly and try for a 2 o'clock exit position.

Remember, you get paid for showing the team's grips on exit. "Pretty" doesn't enter into it.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Deuce 1]

OK, but they won't hold the fact that I'm pretty against me, right?



Thanks for that great answer Q. See you guys tomorrow. I'm pulling the bike out at about 0430, I should be in Perris around noon.