Ok camera newbie question

[airborne82nd 0]

Ok please advise the cheapest way.

Cheapest but adequete Sony or jvc if they are good enough

Cheapest helmet and safest helmet. for a newbie flyer. ( i know i know no mail box on my head )

i would say the side mount all the freefly guys use seem as safe ( they do the head turn on deployment. and the lenses .3 for being in on a 4 way or something and .5 for filming a 4 way?

I think camera flying is pretty safe if done very conservativly ( a good way just to record a dive ) i am talking about the newbie level with a 100 jumps side mount.

so we want to record our jumps cheap, safe and with good resolution and maybee aspire to be camera people one day.

theres pc100, 101, 105,110 120, pc 5,9 hc 20,30 40 and then jvcs help??????????

so very amaetur video. we will look on ebay but we need to know what to get

thanks all who anwser

chris

[davelepka 4]

***I think camera flying is pretty safe if done very conservativly ( a good way just to record a dive ) i am talking about the newbie level with a 100 jumps side mount.

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Yeah, conservative. I'd say a navy blue three-button suit with a white shirt, striped tie, and brown wing tips should be conservative enough.

If I understood your application better, or if your profile was complete, I'd give you a better answer. Maybe.

[DaGimp 0]

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I think camera flying is pretty safe if done very conservativly ( a good way just to record a dive ) i am talking about the newbie level with a 100 jumps side mount.

Well i would say, your talking about safty in camera flying, but jumpig one at 100 jumps is totally not safe, and im sure most on here will agree.

Take some time and learn t ofly on all axis, then strap on a camera. Just think about it, if your flying camera your never in the video.

"Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas

[AndyMan 7]

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I think camera flying is pretty safe if done very conservativly

You are wrong.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[airborne82nd 0]

The other option is the camera eye, where the cam in a pouch on your waist and the fiber optic cable to your helmet. now i am allready whereing a nice big helmet. nothing wrong with putting that micro cam on there.

also the only filming i am taking about ( since i am doing 4 ways all ready and doing 8 way rounds ) is recording the jump i am on basically letting the cam eye film whats going on and not filming the camera.

now what is so unsafe about that??? i am not talking about filming tandems or students talking about a conservative safe way to film a jump with out the danger. with that cam system with a pouch on the chest strap and the fiber optic wire and micro cam.

also if your want to be an asshole respond to someone elses post i would like only serious honest feedback with out sarcsim.

funny i know a tunnell rat who went through aff 2 months ago and has 30 jumps and did a 14 point 4 way and did a docking 4 way freefly jump.
the old way of learning this sport has been ruled obsolete with tunnell training.

there are guys flying cam with 200 jumps ( i guess because they fly so good and the tandem master trusts them ) i dont want to fly tandem cam till i have maybee 500 jumps.

funny though i talk to guys who have like 700 jumps say you cant fly cam till you have 500 jumps but then the next breath bragg how they put a cam on at 150 jumps or less. I guess they think their advice should be taken 100% even though they are hypicritcally viloated the same advice.

Remember some of us unfortunatly have a couplehundred military jumps with rucksacks over 60 lbs and once in a while a scuba set up or dreager rebreather o2. these jumps are at night and sometimes in water and require breathing supp o2 and systems.

yes civilian jumps are different but us military guys tend to be very cautious and safe and take things very slowly. special opps military stuff is dangerous enough and we live safely ( i have been told i am not aggressive enough with my rw flying as far as getting in the 4 way quickly )

so i dont push anything and take my time, plus i use the tunel in orlando every month.

so now if anyone has some straight forward advice i would appreciate it. I know you may have a 1000 jumps and respect that but some of us have done some very dangerous stuff in the Army and civilian skydiving is more advanced and more safe and a heck of a lot more fun.

[TALONSKY 0]

You should check this thread out. http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1108540;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread
Kirk

[airborne82nd 0]

thanks read it allready

[Zoter 0]

No flaming .....promise!
I was just about to start jumping my own cam system at a tad over 200jumps.
I thought exactly like you and frankly dismissed the advice of those saying ''not ready...'....'more jumps first'
After a load of research...I am stepping back from cam jumping for a 'few' more jumps....because of what ( through the smokey haze of flamers) seems to be a few pretty consistant points from people who are experts at this kinda thing.
1. Be 'more' than comfortable and I mean 'more than' comfortable filming the type of jump you are going to film.
2. If there is anything else on your jumps thats taking your attention away .....( from being comfortable just filming)...dont add a camera to your dive

If people can 'truly' feel like that at 100 jumps......good on you...I certainly didnt.....and I consider myself a pretty confident 'have a go' person

And the most important thing.....start 'too soon' and you will get good at 'flying camera' too soon and this will definately affect your own personal progression in whatever flying you are doing.....your mates may be flying hot shit moves in front of you....but whats your job.....staying fairly close but flying STABLE keeping them in frame......whilst this in itself is a difficult skill I am sure.....it means you cant hot dog with the peeps you are filming.....they are learning....you are filming it!

Consider....one newbie to another...take it for what its worth...

That said...ignore all the above and go jump.....get a nice low profile helmet that has a cam housing incorporated into the helmet.....get any sony PC camera...and a nice low profile lense ( eg Royal lense) and already be comfortable flying with audibles....and shitcan any RSL you may have
My personal equipment recommendation is what I researched into and got:
2K composites FF2 helmet
Sony PC109
Royal Lens 0.3

Please BEAR IN MIND
I only have 4 camera jumps and my newbie advice therefore should only be taken as it is offered....as my own personal experience through practical use and research

[airborne82nd 0]

Thanks i am not planning on anytime soon in getting a cam system. It will be a while. i wanted to start planning and buy the cam and a few things. I dont want to film anyone yet want to wear the cam eye for a while and just record the jump not really film the jump.

i have a mandate from an instructor at my dz. They wont let me fly cam till i do my research get my gear and train with them and only when they think i am ready.

they said nothing really wrong with the cam eye system just the vid stinks.

so no rsl well that makes sence.

i hoping in a year i can film tandems if i keep my flying up and i double my jumps.

thanks for the advice on the helmet to buy.

[DaGimp 0]

I hope all that ranting and raving wasnt aboutme, cause i am one of the first people to do stupid things, that i think are completely sane, then i get advise on what im bout to do and re-think the whole situation. Now i am also in the army here at ft bragg, if you come to Raeford some weekend i would be more then glad to talk you through all the diffrent pros and cons to camera jumping.

Now with a camera, no matter what your doing with it, filming tanadems/aff, FFing, doing RW wit hit on your head......it adds additional risks, which is why most will recommend a minumin of 200 jumps, cause by then most people are comfortable with their flying abilities to add an additional risk. Just like why we, BMI's, will NOT put up a jumper with less then 200 jumps and recommend a minumim of 500 jumps, because it adds additional risks which we dont want someone to have to deal with if they are not comfortable with normal situations.

Now, if the people at your dz....whichever it is, raeford or parkton, feel like you can jump one, then by all means....ask your local camera jumpers or you will end up getting criticisim on this site becasuse 1 we dont know you and 2 all you have listed for us to go off of is 100 jumps.


Take this for what its worth, im not bashing you in any way, you ask advise, it may not always be the advise you want to hear.


Edit to add: But as far as the micro cam with belly pack, i wouldnt recommend it, a camera depends on light, and the larger the lens, the more light, the better the picture, with the micro cams the lens is very small so picture quality wont be as good as other larger lens' cameras.

"Professor of Pimpology"~~~Bolas

[AndyMan 7]

The questions you're asking do not show an understanding of the risks.

You seem to think a side mount is safer than a top mount. Why?

You seem to think a "cam eye" is something you shoot video with. It isn't.

You seem to think that doing amateur video work is safer than higher quality work. It isn't.

It's not about the number of jumps. It's about knowledge and experience. You say you've got the experience... and I believe you. It does sound like you could use bit more knowledge, first though.

You say that you're a military guy, and military guys tend to be very cautious and safe. If that were true, you would not be asking to for instructions on how to jump a camera at 100 jumps.

Call me an asshole if you want, but you've got absolutely no business going down the road you're on right now. I won't help you, either.

_Am

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You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead.

[scottbre 0]

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The other option is the camera eye, where the cam in a pouch on your waist and the fiber optic cable to blah blah blah... etc.

Ooo! Ooo! Can I do it since no one else has?

I call TROLL.

"Your mother's full of stupidjuice!"
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[StevePhelps 0]

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also if your want to be an asshole respond to someone elses post i would like only serious honest feedback with out sarcsim.

Excuse any vidiot's lack of tact becuase we must answer the same question every month. Do a search on the subject next time and you will read over 100 posts on this very subject.

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funny i know a tunnell rat who went through aff 2 months ago and has 30 jumps and did a 14 point 4 way and did a docking 4 way freefly jump.
the old way of learning this sport has been ruled obsolete with tunnell training.

Let me know when tunnells teach altitude awareness and emergency procedures

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Remember some of us unfortunatly have a couple hundred military jumps with rucksacks over 60 lbs and once in a while a scuba set up or dreager rebreather o2. these jumps are at night and sometimes in water and require breathing supp o2 and systems.

Ex-SF here, ODA 552 - 5th SFG(A) -- unless you are flying video or doing RW in your HALO team -- how does that mean you're ready to strap a camera on your head?

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( i have been told i am not aggressive enough with my rw flying as far as getting in the 4 way quickly )

Jump video when you can safely fly your slot, not too slow or too fast.

[davelepka 4]

***also if your want to be an asshole respond to someone elses post i would like only serious honest feedback with out sarcsim.
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Seriously, I think you're fishing for answers you're not going to get.

By my definition, 'conservative' means cautious, reserved, or of a lesser magnatude than the norm. The very fact that you are intending to jump a camera with your experience level, and not heeding the advice of those more experienced than you shows you are certainly not conservative.

The equipment entanglement side of video work is only one factor, and truth be told, some of the newer helmet designs go a long way toward mitigating that.

In the aircraft, your equipment checklist has just grown considerably, with the addition being of a high tech nature (read: 100 ways to distract you).

In the air, you WILL try to shoot good video. Maybe one or two jumps you will not, but you'll get sick of watching the slop you produce, and you'll start trying to get different shots, or angles.

Your buddies, and low timers often jump with other low timers, will become facinated with the idea of a camera on the jump, and will come up with all sorts of interesting plans to get in the picture.

Your military experience is of little relevance. Put me on any DZ anywhere, and I can find somebody to jump with. RW, freefly, crew, freestlye, skysurf, birdman, style, accuracy, swooping, hybrids, whatever, I can do it. Does that mean I can strap on a military rig, and SCUBA set up and jump into the ocean? No. Would I dismiss the more experienced military jumpmasters, and try it anyway, No.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that tunnel will do anything for you except improve your freefall skills, which, aside from being stable at deployment, have nothing to do with saving your life once you have left the airplane. But if freefall skills are personally important to you, thats all the more reason to set the camera idea aside, and focus on your flying. Adding the camera now will only slow your learning on both fronts.

[Zoter 0]

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I hope all that ranting and raving wasnt about me

If you were directing that comment my way then nope I wasnt...