clint 1 #1 December 1, 2004 Just wondering about the pro's and con's of both. I think the video is better sitting upright but it's harder to gear up the students, open the door. Sitting flat/horizontal would be easier but not as great footage? -Clint MacBeth Skydive Moab 435 259 JUMP M.O.A.B. Mother Of All Boogies Sept 19 - 23, 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #2 December 1, 2004 don't you have a possibility to edit the video by giving it a 90 degrees rotation ?? Anyways the passenger can always tilt his television screen scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clint 1 #3 December 1, 2004 How can you change the angle? On your PC camera? or on the computer? -Clint MacBeth Skydive Moab 435 259 JUMP M.O.A.B. Mother Of All Boogies Sept 19 - 23, 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handyman-Tyler 0 #4 December 1, 2004 I know with adobe premier you can flip rotate it simply... I would imagine most video editing software you would be able to do the same Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #5 December 1, 2004 I'm normally a TRV on top of the helmet advocate. However, in your case...flying AFF -with- a student (that's what you're getting at, right?)...I'd go with a side-mount PC. Less to bonk the student's head with during the skydive. And for BASE jumping there in Moab...talk with Jimmy. Bet he'd have the best set-up scenerio for you. :^) ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #6 December 1, 2004 He's talking about when you mount a PC style camera in a special glove on the back of your hand. Want it upright, or laying flat like the ones you can see here.....http://www.waycool.com.au/ however in the USA (or Canada) I'd order from riggerrob as his are nicer and less expensive.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #7 December 1, 2004 Really? My bad. What you posted was the "Hand-Cam". What he asked about (I thought) was the "HandyCam"...what -some people- refer to regular small video cameras as. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #8 December 1, 2004 YEah I know...I think he's confused in the terms, but I remember him asking some questions about hand mounts the other day.....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clint 1 #9 December 1, 2004 Yes I am going to buy a glove but I'm not sure if I want it vertical. It will make it much tougher to do everything. I guess once you get used to it it'll be fine. - Yes, confused on the wording. I figure it was self explained. but I guess not, sorry for confusion. It's the hand cam. -Clint MacBeth Skydive Moab 435 259 JUMP M.O.A.B. Mother Of All Boogies Sept 19 - 23, 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linestretch 0 #10 December 1, 2004 go with it upright. I don't remember having problems with the way camera was in regards to gearing up and exit. BUT, I was jumping from a roomy plane. If it's a tight ass cessna, might be a little different. RiggerRob would be one to talk to. He makes them and uses them outa the small planes, and he's a fatty. As for rotating, the video while editing, it will suck. The aspect ratio will be outa whack....that's what I've found.my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #11 December 1, 2004 Clint,try take some gaffa,tape the cam to your hand,use some of them weels for RW to rollarround. record it and put it on your screen. I found that the video of the cam laying down as nice as upwards but its just me.. Personaly i would let the cam lay down most thinkng of the safty of you,passenger and the cam.. Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clint 1 #12 December 1, 2004 Good points all around. I am going to get it from Riggerrob soon. I just wanted to see what others had to say? Who is using them in the usa? -Clint MacBeth Skydive Moab 435 259 JUMP M.O.A.B. Mother Of All Boogies Sept 19 - 23, 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #13 December 2, 2004 Since you guys have been using my name in vain ... Hah! Hah! I suspect that the original concept of laying cameras horizontally was to lower the profile and minimize the chance of snagging. My very first hand-mount laid a Sony IP5 horizontally on the back of my left hand. While the footage was reasonable, all the audience got a sore neck. This quickly got to be a pain. All my subsequent hand-mounts stand the camera vertically on the back of the left hand. This produces video that is "normal" to the horizon during most phases of the jump. Landings are still a bit awkward, but nothing that a million chin-ups and push-ups won't solve. As cameras get smaller and smaller, the risk of snagging gets smaller and smaller. And Clint, sorry about the delay in sewing your new hand-mount. After rigging for 5 years in a cramped, poorly lit, little room, I am finally getting a new loft. The only catch is that I have to build it myself. I spent all day yesterday painting. Hee! Hee! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #14 December 2, 2004 Rob,which angel from the wrist do you find best? Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #15 December 3, 2004 QuoteRob,which angel from the wrist do you find best? Do your angels have wings, mounted there? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #16 December 3, 2004 sorry degrees Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #17 December 3, 2004 QuoteRob,which angel from the wrist do you find best? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you lay your left arm on a table - palm down - the camera stands vertical/normal to the horizon. The lens points in almost the same direction as your thumb,. but is angled back about 30 degrees. In other words, the lens points 60 degrees: relative to your forearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #18 December 3, 2004 cheers Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clint 1 #19 December 4, 2004 I just bought a .3x lens. Can't wait for the glove.Clint MacBeth Skydive Moab 435 259 JUMP M.O.A.B. Mother Of All Boogies Sept 19 - 23, 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #20 December 4, 2004 QuoteI just bought a .3x lens. Might wanna take a look at www.royal-lens.com's .2 lens for that as well....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clint 1 #21 December 4, 2004 it looks too distorted for me. -Clint MacBeth Skydive Moab 435 259 JUMP M.O.A.B. Mother Of All Boogies Sept 19 - 23, 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #22 December 4, 2004 What leads you to that conclusion? For hand cam work it can't be beat with the field of view. In video mode the distortion is minimal, in photo mode there is a bit more, but I don't know of anyone that uses photo mode on skydives.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linestretch 0 #23 December 4, 2004 we were using .3's and they worked awesome. Really no need for more angle of view unless you are SHORT, and your arms are only like 2 feet long.my pics & stuff! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clint 1 #24 December 4, 2004 I saw the comparison that you did, I believe it was you, and I saw online. IT's just too much. Like the last person said, it's good if you got short arms. -Clint MacBeth Skydive Moab 435 259 JUMP M.O.A.B. Mother Of All Boogies Sept 19 - 23, 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WayCool 0 #25 December 5, 2004 There are lots of guys in Vegas using them so you might want to ask them for advise. For lenses, it's generally accepted that the wider the lens the better within the realm of acceptable distortion. Most Of the footage that I have seen with the classic or laydown mount is running diagonally through the frame so you can't really rotate the picture 90 degrees, it would also be very difficult because of the aspect ratio problem mentioned above. If you have a large amount of tandem experience and are also current you shouldn't have a problem with a pro (upright) style mount. The newer cameras such as the 109 are getting shorter as well which alleviates the problem as well. Stay Cool http://www.waycool.com.au Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
