tputterman 0 #1 April 28, 2003 Hey all you safire1 owners. I got he Performance mod done this last winter. Great landings Much improved. I am having a problem that when my canopy opens i endup at least 180 degress off heading. I had the mod done by local Master rigger Per icarus' Specs. The first weekend out i just thought is was body position on opening. but after doing 6 jumps this weekend it did it every jump. I had a more experieced jumper check it out and it did the same thing for him. I pro pack it and have tried changing various things while packing rolling hte nose, tucking the nose.....leaving more and less line in the bottom of the pack. and i am still having problems. I have had other packers give it a shot to no avail. Safire1 119 witha A Javelin container. Any ideas or sugesstions woudl be greats Thanks Ahead of time. Tputterman "The door was open so i jumped"F@#$IN PUTTER Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #2 April 28, 2003 I have a new Safire 2 which I assumme is nearly identical to a "1" with the mod. I am convinced it is the packing. I am lazy and the canopy is brand new, so I have been paying packers to pack it, but I also packed a few times myself. I experience about 60% of the time a right hand dive when I open. First I thought like you it was my body position, but now I am convinced it is the packing (e.g. when I packed myself it was on heading same when packed by another guy, when 2 other packers packed it I had the off-heading). The main has been packed mostly "Pro". I am still trying to figure out what in the packing can lead to this. So you might want to try a couple of different ways of packing, including Pro (I pack slowly keeping lines very straight and clean and put effort in flaking etc. -this gave best results so far). Good luck.--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #3 April 28, 2003 I would PM Hooknswoop or wait for him or skycat to see this. I believe they have a decent amount of expeirence with the mod. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #4 April 28, 2003 Unfortunately, we didn't do the mod and the one Icarus does is different than the one we do. I wish we could help, but without seeing the canopy there is nothing we can do. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alain 0 #5 April 28, 2003 what's this mod about ? (just curious, the only mod I did on mine was legthening the lower break lines of 3"=> better stability on front riser inputs: it's just great now) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #6 April 28, 2003 www.jumpergirl.com/rigging/safire.htmlFly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alain 0 #7 April 28, 2003 few thoughts: does it fly strait with the steering line stowed or released ? what's your wingloading ? (mine at 1.35:1 is quite sensitive to harness input / square body on opening) maybe ask some to jump your canopy and eventualy experience turn ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alain 0 #8 April 28, 2003 I'm quite surprised to ear people reporting brisk openings on a safire ? I get a consistant soft 800', dumping in track is not a problem either. mine was made in NZ, could this make any difference ? just wondering... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,485 #9 April 28, 2003 I had the safire recommended as a soft-opening canopy. Mine certainly satisfies that requirement -- in fact, the statement that the mod makes the openings take longer is part of what makes me not want to get it. I'd just get scared. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #10 April 28, 2003 Ok the story of how the mod came about, it was actually made for a BASE canopy that had some issues with it's flare, or more like lack of flare. Well a lot of people claimed the same thing on thier Safire, so since it worked so well on a BASE canopy Derek tried it on his own safire, his roommates and several other friends of his (he test jumped them all 1st), the results were great and everyone loved it, the softer openings for a lot of them were a greatly appreciated bonus. These were all safires made in the US, so if you have one from NZ you probably don't have the flare issues or opening issues, kind of like affected crossfires. If you don't have an problem with getting plenty of flare out of your canopy I don't see any reason for getting the mod, which is really to fix the flare problem. (I'm thinking of trying it on my sabre for the openings) Wendy, PM'ing you.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swanee 0 #11 April 29, 2003 I also have a Safire 1 (NZ made) but with the HooknSwoop (not Icarus) mod which greatly improved landings and made openings even softer. I often get a turn/dive to the left after opening. However, I think I got this before the mod as well. I am psycho packing. I was having problems with line twists but seemed to have solved that by stowing less line on the bag, and free-stowing more in the container. Swanee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #12 April 29, 2003 yeah, i need the mod on mine, i've been talking about it for months. i just need to send it you you guys. when i think about it, i'm going to jump, when i have time to send it off, i'm not thinking about it. i'll try to ship it out to you soon. keep hoping i can just buy a new main like i want, but that's not happening anytime soon...peace http://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JayhawkJumper 0 #13 April 29, 2003 I have a safire with the mod. I had it done by the Icarus service facility when I had it relined. I think it gave it a lot better flare, but it still doesn't have as much flare as the sabre2 I demoed. Anyway, come to think of it, it did open pretty strange for a while (off heading, surging etc...) but now it has settled down I guess. I get a nice on heading slow opening every time now. My only complaint could be that it opens too slow. There is only probably six inces from the toggles to the brake set loop, which is probably why it opens so slow. Takes about 1000 ft on average to open (thats with the nose hanging and the slider pushed back). I love the openings but I wish it would turn better with my legs and have alittle more bottom end flare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #14 April 29, 2003 Quote There is only probably six inces from the toggles to the brake set loop, which is probably why it opens so slow. The amunt of steering line between the brake loop and the toggle shouldn't affect the opening, as long as you set the brakes when you pack. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tputterman 0 #15 April 29, 2003 Thanks Guys for all the Input. I am going to work with the Rigger and the guys at the dz with different packing i have never psycho packed it so i am going to see if we can't get it worked out. If all else fails i'll send it off and have it done. Just to make a comment on anyone wondering my chute takes about 6-800 feet to open and it's really nice and soft. And as i said before the Landings are so much better.......my Canopy actually Flares with out pushing my lines all the way past my waist and nearly hyper extending my arms. Thanks Again Guys TputtermanF@#$IN PUTTER Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alain 0 #16 April 29, 2003 how does the mod affect front riser flying and recovery arc? Mine was unstable on double front before I lengthen the lower steering line (that's actualy why I did it) => the flare is a little bit deeper but still there, while it's way nicer and safer to dive. I'm curious about the mod cause I might consider it if I sell the canopy to a low timer or some one wanting easier flare and not flying with fronts. (thinking of a few female friends of mine here ;-) ) Relining it with the 2 specs, would do the trick as well, right ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #17 April 29, 2003 The mod doesn't affect the front risers pressure or recovery arch at all. It is done to the upper controle lines only, no other lines are touched, so the canopy reacts exactly the same during front riser turns. Well as long as your steering lines are long enough to not deflect the tail when you pull down on your fronts. Relining with the complete safire2 line trim will give you a shorter recovery arch and I think a bit higher front risers pressure since they change the trim on all the lines not just the steering lines. I have heard several complaints from people use to the safire1 recovery arch who sent their safire in for a reline and it came back with a 2 lineset. I have also heard from people who wanted the 2 lineset and were much happier with it rather than the 1. So I guess choose your poison. Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #18 April 29, 2003 My safire was beating the snot out of me on openings consistently. the only time i had soft openings was when I did sub terminal hop n pops. I have an american made safire 1. after the mod, my openings are relatively on heading, and now super soft. and the flare...well it made an already good flare(I never had a problem landing the original line set) into a mongo power band....lots of bottom end. but I tend to not use all the flare available...I'm sure i can lengthen my surfs by quite a bit now with it. I'd recomdend it to anyone. for 95 bucks i got my reserve repacked and the mod done, all in one shot. can't go wrong with that. and Derick takes a look at all the little things that I should have done a long time ago on my rig. great rigger in my opinion. not that I want to test out his pack jobmarc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewmonst 0 #19 July 10, 2003 Ok, I'm bringing this old thread back to life as my safire has a mind of it's own... I have a Safire 1 size 139 about 2 years old... I had always had good openings and the flare sucked when landing straight in, but most of the time I could front riser carve in without any problems... To make a long story short, it's gone wacky out of trim now and isn't jumpable. I'll let you know more details and how it turns out after a reline. But a heads up, if your break lines are a few inches too short, get them fixed right away to avoid worse problems in the future. btw, Derek has been very helpful with my safire issues... more to come peace, spread the love lewhttp://www.exitshot.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #20 July 10, 2003 to help lew enforce what she is saying, her safire outer A lines are about 2" to 2 1/2" out of trim. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #21 July 10, 2003 Quoteto help lew enforce what she is saying, her safire outer A lines are about 2" to 2 1/2" out of trim. Thread creep, I know. How does Vectran get that much out of trim? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #22 July 10, 2003 QuoteHow does Vectran get that much out of trim? it's spectra. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #23 July 10, 2003 Quoteit's spectra. Wierd. I didn't know that Spectra was an option on the Safire. Learn somethin' new every day. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #24 July 10, 2003 QuoteWierd. I didn't know that Spectra was an option on the Safire. icarus actually recomends spectra for the safire. check out the order form later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #25 July 10, 2003 heres the order form http://www.icaruscanopies.com/order_forms/safire.pdf later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
