guscabana 0 #1 October 10, 2005 Hello Camera People, Im curious about how many dz's are shooting digitals stills for tandem passengers. We plan to switch and we like to hear experiences... Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #2 October 10, 2005 Chicagoland has bee all digital this year. It seems to work well. 10 minutes after landing we hand the student a DVD and a CDROM in a custom printed glossy DVD-style plastic box. Students seem to prefer both DVD and CDROM over VHS and film. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #3 October 10, 2005 I am not a video person, and our DZ still has film.... But I wanted to throw in my two cents... When my mom did her tandem, she made 8X10 enlargements of a few good shots, and proudly hangs them in her office... If you are switching over to digital, make sure the resolution can make a good enlargement - AND - perhaps find a local retailer to partner with (coupons, fliers, etc) that can make photo quality prints off that CD, and educate the customer (especially those like my mom who does not think digital = prints), on how to make high quality enlargements... Second issue... A friend of mine showed me some CD-Rs he burned when they first came out... They all now are "blank"... It appears CD-Rs have a shelf life. Here is a quote I found online: QuoteHistorically, manufacturers have claimed life-spans ranging from 50 to 200 years for CD-R discs and 20 to 100 years for CD-RW. Be aware, however, that disc producers, manufacturing methods and materials change over time as do applications and cost imperatives. Consequently, those concerned with disc longevity should consult the appropriate international standards and their media manufacturer for more particular information. Another quote Quoteshelf life of pre-recorded CDs is indeed said to be about 100 years. Shelflife of CD-Rs is closer to 10 years, maybe 20 if you're really lucky. CD-RWs don't even last that long (though can be reused a few times). Pre-recorded "pressed" CDs will outlast all of us... But will CD-Rs??? So, how as a DZ, are you addressing the fact that Ms. Tandem in 10 years might lose all her photos, when Ms. Tandem is not computer savvy and does not know how to reburn the CD or move them to hard drives, etc???? That is my opinion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #4 October 10, 2005 We've been using them for 18 months now. I sell stills to 90% of those buying video. Nothing like sticking a flash card in a reader and showing them the stills within 1 minute of landing. The impulse to buy is overwhelming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #5 October 10, 2005 QuoteIf you are switching over to digital, make sure the resolution can make a good enlargement This simply isn't a problem. Any of the current "prosumer" digital cameras like the Digital Rebel have more than enough resosultion to print a near poster-size. As for CDROMs, well - people who are computer savy archive their pics on their home computers. People who are not computer savy archive their prints by printing them and adding them to photo albums. I am not particularly concerned about the lifespan of CDROMs. My personal belief is to give the customer what they want. When we gave our customersthe option of Digital stills they overwelmingly chose it. As a business, that really is the end of the story. Give them what they want. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dokeman 0 #6 October 10, 2005 I think digital is certainly the way to go. Espically with more people these days being computer savy. Me personally, if I showed up to do a tandem or get pictures of anything really, I would request digital and if it wasnt avaliable I probably wouldn't get them. Digital just seems a lot more desirible to me, just because im not limited to the number of pics i take, and I dont ever have to buy a roll of film. That and most people would rather email some pictures to the friends and family. That, and they may not want all of the pictures developed. They might just want one 8x10 or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #7 October 10, 2005 Quote Nothing like sticking a flash card in a reader and showing them the stills within 1 minute of landing. The impulse to buy is overwhelming. You could probably sell them insurance, a house, just about anything at that moment. --- the combination of cheap CD-R media (Fry's GQ) and notebook cdrom burners seems iffy. I've had a lot of burns that just didn't read elsewhere later. Do you guys archive the dumps for some period of time in case the disc turns out unreadable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StevePhelps 0 #8 October 10, 2005 QuoteDo you guys archive the dumps for some period of time in case the disc turns out unreadable? I do for a year or two. I keep all pictures in a 200 gig portable HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites guscabana 0 #9 October 14, 2005 Thanks for all the answers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #10 October 14, 2005 QuoteSo, how as a DZ, are you addressing the fact that Ms. Tandem in 10 years might lose all her photos, when Ms. Tandem is not computer savvy and does not know how to reburn the CD or move them to hard drives, etc???? why is her ignorance of technology and appropriate back up procedures in anyway the DZ responsibility?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fast 0 #11 October 17, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo, how as a DZ, are you addressing the fact that Ms. Tandem in 10 years might lose all her photos, when Ms. Tandem is not computer savvy and does not know how to reburn the CD or move them to hard drives, etc???? why is her ignorance of technology and appropriate back up procedures in anyway the DZ responsibility? The same thing is likely to happen with stills that are shot on film. Most people don't do a great job of storing pictures in a way that prevents them from losing color or clarity. Pictures end up in a box somewhere to collect dust and get old. The CD ends up on a shelf. I would guess that most people get prints made of the pictures they like anyways. So they have 2 forms of the pictures that will get old and rot. The only difference is if they take care of the digital they will never lose quality.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
AndyMan 7 #5 October 10, 2005 QuoteIf you are switching over to digital, make sure the resolution can make a good enlargement This simply isn't a problem. Any of the current "prosumer" digital cameras like the Digital Rebel have more than enough resosultion to print a near poster-size. As for CDROMs, well - people who are computer savy archive their pics on their home computers. People who are not computer savy archive their prints by printing them and adding them to photo albums. I am not particularly concerned about the lifespan of CDROMs. My personal belief is to give the customer what they want. When we gave our customersthe option of Digital stills they overwelmingly chose it. As a business, that really is the end of the story. Give them what they want. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dokeman 0 #6 October 10, 2005 I think digital is certainly the way to go. Espically with more people these days being computer savy. Me personally, if I showed up to do a tandem or get pictures of anything really, I would request digital and if it wasnt avaliable I probably wouldn't get them. Digital just seems a lot more desirible to me, just because im not limited to the number of pics i take, and I dont ever have to buy a roll of film. That and most people would rather email some pictures to the friends and family. That, and they may not want all of the pictures developed. They might just want one 8x10 or something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #7 October 10, 2005 Quote Nothing like sticking a flash card in a reader and showing them the stills within 1 minute of landing. The impulse to buy is overwhelming. You could probably sell them insurance, a house, just about anything at that moment. --- the combination of cheap CD-R media (Fry's GQ) and notebook cdrom burners seems iffy. I've had a lot of burns that just didn't read elsewhere later. Do you guys archive the dumps for some period of time in case the disc turns out unreadable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePhelps 0 #8 October 10, 2005 QuoteDo you guys archive the dumps for some period of time in case the disc turns out unreadable? I do for a year or two. I keep all pictures in a 200 gig portable HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guscabana 0 #9 October 14, 2005 Thanks for all the answers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #10 October 14, 2005 QuoteSo, how as a DZ, are you addressing the fact that Ms. Tandem in 10 years might lose all her photos, when Ms. Tandem is not computer savvy and does not know how to reburn the CD or move them to hard drives, etc???? why is her ignorance of technology and appropriate back up procedures in anyway the DZ responsibility?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fast 0 #11 October 17, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo, how as a DZ, are you addressing the fact that Ms. Tandem in 10 years might lose all her photos, when Ms. Tandem is not computer savvy and does not know how to reburn the CD or move them to hard drives, etc???? why is her ignorance of technology and appropriate back up procedures in anyway the DZ responsibility? The same thing is likely to happen with stills that are shot on film. Most people don't do a great job of storing pictures in a way that prevents them from losing color or clarity. Pictures end up in a box somewhere to collect dust and get old. The CD ends up on a shelf. I would guess that most people get prints made of the pictures they like anyways. So they have 2 forms of the pictures that will get old and rot. The only difference is if they take care of the digital they will never lose quality.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Zenister 0 #10 October 14, 2005 QuoteSo, how as a DZ, are you addressing the fact that Ms. Tandem in 10 years might lose all her photos, when Ms. Tandem is not computer savvy and does not know how to reburn the CD or move them to hard drives, etc???? why is her ignorance of technology and appropriate back up procedures in anyway the DZ responsibility?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #11 October 17, 2005 QuoteQuoteSo, how as a DZ, are you addressing the fact that Ms. Tandem in 10 years might lose all her photos, when Ms. Tandem is not computer savvy and does not know how to reburn the CD or move them to hard drives, etc???? why is her ignorance of technology and appropriate back up procedures in anyway the DZ responsibility? The same thing is likely to happen with stills that are shot on film. Most people don't do a great job of storing pictures in a way that prevents them from losing color or clarity. Pictures end up in a box somewhere to collect dust and get old. The CD ends up on a shelf. I would guess that most people get prints made of the pictures they like anyways. So they have 2 forms of the pictures that will get old and rot. The only difference is if they take care of the digital they will never lose quality.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
