davidfreefly 0 #1 August 18, 2006 Hi friends, I have bought a TRV 33, (before i had a panasonic nvgs1) My question is how to get a 100% smooth and clear slow motion for tandem videos. What kind of software do you use? I have tried with pinnacle 9.. but results are not very smooth. ANY HELP PLEASE? THANKS ________________________ DAVID DOVAL www.paracaidismogalicia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 August 18, 2006 Work in evenly divisible increments; 50%, 25%. Without going to extremes of using After Effects or something similar, anything else just isn't going to look "right". My guess is that for tandem videos you wouldn't have the time to deal with After Effects anyway.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidfreefly 0 #3 August 18, 2006 Sorry for my english.. but What do you mean whe you say "Work in evenly divisible increments; 50%, 25%" I cant understand what are you meaning. The only effect i use is slow motion for freefall. THANK YOU QUADE ________________________ DAVID DOVAL www.paracaidismogalicia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 August 18, 2006 When you apply the slow motion effect, there -should- be a variable to tell it how slow you want the effect to be. That is normally, in most programs, expressed as a percentage of play speed. 100% would be normal play speed. 50% would be exactly half as fast.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #5 August 18, 2006 QuoteHi friends, I have bought a TRV 33, (before i had a panasonic nvgs1) My question is how to get a 100% smooth and clear slow motion for tandem videos. What kind of software do you use? I have tried with pinnacle 9.. but results are not very smooth. ANY HELP PLEASE? THANKS Two cheap methods of slow motion: 1. Create two lines of the same vid, zoom in deep and offset one by half a frame. Some NLE's won't allow for this, but most will. Switch field order of top track to "upper" and be sure field of lower track is set to "lower"" (default by nature of DV) Slow track to desired speed. Set opacity/transparency of upper track to 50%. Slow bottom track to desired speed. Render. or, use Sony Vegas Movie Studio/Sony Vegas Professional, being sure "resample" is turned on. It does a great job of smooth slow mo down to about 20%. 39.00 with rebates for VMS at a lot of stores I've seen, they have a free demo. In-camera slow-mo is pretty poor, due to the way the frames are read, so you'll need good software. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n23x 0 #6 August 19, 2006 *cough* Shoot highspeed. .jim"Don't touch my fucking Easter eggs, I'll be back monday." ~JTFC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laszloimage 0 #7 August 19, 2006 I don't know the Pinaccle software but I know all the good editing softwares have the fallowing setting before you render the video: Field order A, Field order B, and Frame Based. Consumer video cameras are usally recording interlaced video, which is normally "A" or "Lower Field" (means the same thing) So make sure your "Field Order" settings are maintained from the capturing all tha way through the rendering if you want to have a smooth slow motion effect. BlueS! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #8 August 19, 2006 QuoteI don't know the Pinaccle software but I know all the good editing softwares have the fallowing setting before you render the video: Field order A, Field order B, and Frame Based. Consumer video cameras are usally recording interlaced video, which is normally "A" or "Lower Field" (means the same thing) So make sure your "Field Order" settings are maintained from the capturing all tha way through the rendering if you want to have a smooth slow motion effect. ! Blending the two as I've indicated above, is similar to a crude deinterlacing technique that works very well for slow mo. You are correct, of course, you need to maintain the LFF format of DV on output if that's what your acquisition was. Blending field order during editing isn't integral to the output format, unless your NLE forces LFF even when you specify UFF. If you converted only one instance of the vid to UFF only, you'd have horizontal artifacting on final render. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidfreefly 0 #9 August 19, 2006 But... What software are you using to do that?? i have no idea to do this witn pinnacle, what software do you use?? ________________________ DAVID DOVAL www.paracaidismogalicia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #10 August 19, 2006 QuoteBut... What software are you using to do that?? i have no idea to do this witn pinnacle, what software do you use?? Sony Vegas (either professional or consumer version), Canopus Edius, Avid Express HD, Ulead Media Studio will all do this. Any software that can invert a field and allow you to offset a stream by half a frame will do it. I use Sony Vegas and Avid for most of my work. Vegas has a unique resampling feature that's similar to much more high end compositing tools, and it makes for ultra smooth slo mo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #11 August 24, 2006 Depending on how much time you have, Twixtor (from http://www.revisionfx.com) is quite an amazing tool to work with. Next to pulling your 2 fields appart into 2 frames in one simple click, it also uses a combination of morphing and frameblending to create new inbetween frames..depending on your source-material (and your willingness to spend some time creating masks for your objects/background) results can be breathtaking...JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #12 August 24, 2006 I have some questions, please be so kind and answer them. I am using Premiere Pro 1.5. Quote 1. Create two lines of the same vid, zoom in deep and offset one by half a frame. What do you mean with "zoom in deep" and how do you offset a line of vid by half a frame in Premiere Pro 1.5? Quote Slow track to desired speed.Quote Heh, just to confirm, both tracks should be set to the same speed, right? Thank You very much :-) Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #13 August 25, 2006 To zoom, set your timeline to view 1 frame depth. Yes, both tracks must be set to same speed. However, you can get some interesting effects if you have them set to differing speeds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unutsch 0 #14 August 25, 2006 Cool. Thanks a lot. Will try it out with the tandems i hope i'll film this weekend, and let you know of the results. Have fun! Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #15 August 25, 2006 DSE ...how do you achieve that smooth slo mo technique of yours in Prem Pro.....I cant see options for changing field dominance in the Field options... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #16 August 27, 2006 Use the "Reverse Field Dominance" option. Which version of PP are you using? You might need to export the clip with upper field dominant, and reimport as a separate clip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #17 August 28, 2006 I am using Prem Pro 1.5. Could you explain how to do this in this version as I dont see a c ouple of the options you are describing...thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unutsch 0 #18 August 28, 2006 I tested it this weekend, and am not quite sure about the results... DSE, pls tell me if i am doing it the right way: 1. put master video on line 1 2. put slave video on line 2, 1 frame after the master video 3. right click on slave video --> Field Options --> chech Reverse Field Dominance 4. slave video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% 5. render One more thing: how do you do: To zoom, set your timeline to view 1 frame depth. Thanks in advance :-) Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mccordia 74 #19 August 30, 2006 If you use premiere pro, please dont waste your time! Premiere pro's slowmo is already based on this technique. The odd and even field are pulled apart, and deinterlaced to give you a slowmo. And when you go below 50%, frameblending (technicaly a fade between frames) is used to smooth the result (although that tends to get quite blurry, so staying within 50% is recomended) You definately dont need to spend all the extra time trying to pull appart your fields, as thats already whats done automaticly when you just use the standard slowmo. If you look at this video (where I went a little overboard with slowmos, especialy in the second part) its all standard premiere pro slowmos. But some editing programs dont do any frame-blending (PinnacleStudio/FCP) and give you (when using 30 fps as a base) 15 fps video when you do a slowmo, with some horrible blending effects...and even a blind person would scream 'g*d that looks horrible' THEN it IS definately worth spending the time pulling your fields appart to create new frames. And if you REALLY want good slowmo's...go for a more advanced plugin (like Realsmart:Twixtor)JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unutsch 0 #20 August 30, 2006 ajajaj... and i spent quite some time banging my head why i don't see a increase in quality... :-D Thank you! and btw, nice movie Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #21 August 30, 2006 I just did this one using that technique, slowed down to 10%, considerably slower. IMO, quality is quite a bit smoother, but YMMV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unutsch 0 #22 August 30, 2006 DSE, i did exactly the same as i described a few posts up, and my results can not compare to yours. Can you please confirm that i am doing it the right way? Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pattersd 0 #23 August 30, 2006 I think this step is incorrect. 4. slave video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% I believe it should be 4. Master video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% I'm using Vegas and if I leave the upper video track at 100% you won't see the second track. you have to let the lower tracks bleed thru the upper track. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #24 August 30, 2006 QuoteI think this step is incorrect. 4. slave video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% I believe it should be 4. Master video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% I'm using Vegas and if I leave the upper video track at 100% you won't see the second track. you have to let the lower tracks bleed thru the upper track. 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DSE 5 #13 August 25, 2006 To zoom, set your timeline to view 1 frame depth. Yes, both tracks must be set to same speed. However, you can get some interesting effects if you have them set to differing speeds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #14 August 25, 2006 Cool. Thanks a lot. Will try it out with the tandems i hope i'll film this weekend, and let you know of the results. Have fun! Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #15 August 25, 2006 DSE ...how do you achieve that smooth slo mo technique of yours in Prem Pro.....I cant see options for changing field dominance in the Field options... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #16 August 27, 2006 Use the "Reverse Field Dominance" option. Which version of PP are you using? You might need to export the clip with upper field dominant, and reimport as a separate clip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #17 August 28, 2006 I am using Prem Pro 1.5. Could you explain how to do this in this version as I dont see a c ouple of the options you are describing...thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #18 August 28, 2006 I tested it this weekend, and am not quite sure about the results... DSE, pls tell me if i am doing it the right way: 1. put master video on line 1 2. put slave video on line 2, 1 frame after the master video 3. right click on slave video --> Field Options --> chech Reverse Field Dominance 4. slave video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% 5. render One more thing: how do you do: To zoom, set your timeline to view 1 frame depth. Thanks in advance :-) Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 74 #19 August 30, 2006 If you use premiere pro, please dont waste your time! Premiere pro's slowmo is already based on this technique. The odd and even field are pulled apart, and deinterlaced to give you a slowmo. And when you go below 50%, frameblending (technicaly a fade between frames) is used to smooth the result (although that tends to get quite blurry, so staying within 50% is recomended) You definately dont need to spend all the extra time trying to pull appart your fields, as thats already whats done automaticly when you just use the standard slowmo. If you look at this video (where I went a little overboard with slowmos, especialy in the second part) its all standard premiere pro slowmos. But some editing programs dont do any frame-blending (PinnacleStudio/FCP) and give you (when using 30 fps as a base) 15 fps video when you do a slowmo, with some horrible blending effects...and even a blind person would scream 'g*d that looks horrible' THEN it IS definately worth spending the time pulling your fields appart to create new frames. And if you REALLY want good slowmo's...go for a more advanced plugin (like Realsmart:Twixtor)JC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #20 August 30, 2006 ajajaj... and i spent quite some time banging my head why i don't see a increase in quality... :-D Thank you! and btw, nice movie Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #21 August 30, 2006 I just did this one using that technique, slowed down to 10%, considerably slower. IMO, quality is quite a bit smoother, but YMMV. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #22 August 30, 2006 DSE, i did exactly the same as i described a few posts up, and my results can not compare to yours. Can you please confirm that i am doing it the right way? Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pattersd 0 #23 August 30, 2006 I think this step is incorrect. 4. slave video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% I believe it should be 4. Master video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% I'm using Vegas and if I leave the upper video track at 100% you won't see the second track. you have to let the lower tracks bleed thru the upper track. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #24 August 30, 2006 QuoteI think this step is incorrect. 4. slave video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% I believe it should be 4. Master video - effect controls in preview monitor - set opacity to 50% I'm using Vegas and if I leave the upper video track at 100% you won't see the second track. you have to let the lower tracks bleed thru the upper track. Bottom track should remain full opacity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unutsch 0 #25 August 30, 2006 Quote Bottom track should remain full opacity. That's how i do it, but still, the end video looks as if a track was faster than the other. I believe it's got to do with the fact that i don't know how to move the upper track half a frame forward. Does this have something to do with you saying: To zoom, set your timeline to view 1 frame depth? Check out the site of the Fallen Angels FreeflY Organisation: http://www.padliangeli.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
