davidpanal 0 #1 April 11, 2007 I have been doing video for tandems, I did not want to get any suit with wings with clips. I was told some stories like pilotshut goes true between the wings. So Questions are Is it posiable with BOC? How about getting a freefly suits with smaller wings? Posiable to fly back and belly? Is there any extra thing to think about when you jump with wings or large wings, thank you for you help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damonsteele 0 #2 April 11, 2007 I think you are hearing old horror stories from when ROL deployments were the norm. Now that 95 percent of the deployment systems out there are some sort of BOC (pull-out, BOC pilotchute), the chances of reaching between the wing and BOC are pretty slim. You would have to work at it, but it could be done. I wouldn't worry about it much. Just like with anything, it will get some taking used to. Be careful and have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #3 April 11, 2007 I'm pretty sure this is an example of that happening: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=3601 Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davidpanal 0 #4 April 11, 2007 Yes, this is what I mean, but an other thing why do skydivers send these type of videos to TVs? It makes our sport look bad and how many tandems or AFF will be canceled because of videos like this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spanky39154 0 #5 April 12, 2007 From what I've been told at our DZ, every time theres an incident that gets into the news bookings go up not down!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large Groups!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #6 April 12, 2007 Quotethe chances of reaching between the wing and BOC are pretty slim. You would have to work at it, but it could be done. I wouldn't worry about it much. You should stop giving bad advice to others.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #7 April 12, 2007 I wore a camerasuit during most of the jumps I did last season. As others have pointed out it is possible to do. On my camerasuit the wings aren't even close to the bottom of my container (where my Hackysack is located). I imagine part of this is because the suit was made to fit me specifically. But it is still something I consider everytime I reach back to throw.Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #8 April 12, 2007 Fatality from 2005 of this exact situation occuring: http://www.dropzone.com/fatalities/Detailed/163.shtmlYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #9 April 12, 2007 Every person (FOUR, 2-on first wing jump and 2 on about the 10th) I have seen personally in freefall do reach thru's had a BOC and "fit for them wing's". Each jumper had more then one training excerise, and all 4 chose to not heed good advice. Each time the wings were not worn right mixed with a sloppy pull, I'm telling you that is some UGLY shit right there! I can understand why some people might think not a big deal, because it can be. But having seen it unfold in front of my eyes in FF, I think it is a big deal for anyone it might happen too, and those just starting out are in the most danger of doing it.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #10 April 12, 2007 QuoteI'm pretty sure this is an example of that happening: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=3601 Dave U G L Y! Pretty good visual of why you should always practice your pull with a wide arc. Not a good spot to put yourself in..... Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laszloimage 0 #11 April 12, 2007 Once I lost a canopy bacause of the camera wing. I was sit flying whit my BEV SUIT while filming the tandem exit. As soon as the drouge was out I flipped back onto my belly. But while I was in the sit the air pushed the inside edge of the camera wing over the corner of my cut-away pillow, so when I turned on my belly as the wing was going back to the opposite direction it yanked out my handle. Of curse I didn't know about it until I deployed the main. First I thoght I had a pilot chute in tow and took 2-3 seconds to realize my cut-away handle was pulled already (luckilly I figured out pretty fast). So I had to deploy reserve (what I just packed a night before) in teminal speed with the camera gear on my head. I fixed the wing issue with an extra clip on each wing on the inside edge. They keep the wings close to my body, preventing them to go over my emergency handles when I'm in tha sit position. It could have been lot wors, It could have popped my reserve right into the face of the tandem pair. In the other hand it's very hard to do camera work without wings. I know a few tall skinny guys (like 6 feet plus and only 150-160lbs) they actually can fly without wings filming tandems. But flying in a burble of the 4-way for example everybody pretty much needs a wing. The best answer is to be aware of the extra risk of the camera wings, so that reduces the chances to make a mistake. Pull higher, have a hook knife or two, and ask others about their bad stories and not to repeat them. -Laszlo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zee 0 #12 April 12, 2007 Boy, doesn't that sound like fun. I've had a few reserve rides with my camera gear but the mere thought of a terminal reserve opening with a loaded FTP on my head makes me cringe... Guess it's better than the alternative...... Action©Sports Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
