riddler 0 #26 June 2, 2003 QuoteYou might want to consider doing more research before you post like this.... Yeah, like my posts are more significant than what you and I read in the official USPA magazine. In no way am I criticizing Airtec - try reading the post before you get bent out of shape. My beef would be against the *dealer* if they marked it up significantly, not against AirTec. I think Airtec is a great company and has improved the sport a lot. I just hate to see others (dealers) making a huge profit for something that can save lives at the expense of some people that can't afford to pay for it. In this case, it sounds like it was just an error on the part of Parachutist. Ed for spelling - I never get Airtec right (AirTech? AirTek?)Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #27 June 2, 2003 QuoteSomething to think about? I think the Cypres crashes less than my Windoze machine That alone is worth the money.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #28 June 2, 2003 QuoteIn no way am I criticizing Airtec - try reading the post before you get bent out of shape. My beef would be against the *dealer* if they marked it up significantly, not against AirTec. I think Airtec is a great company and has improved the sport a lot. I just hate to see others (dealers) making a huge profit for something that can save lives at the expense of some people that can't afford to pay for it. First off, have you ever seen ANYONE sell a Cypres for more than Mfg. suggested retail?? I doubt it. AirTec sets the price, the dealers mark it DOWN from there. There is no marking it up. Secondly, no one is getting rich of selling ANYTHING in the skydiving industry...especially not Cypres units with what the Euro has done against the Dollar recently. The average margin btwn wholesale and retail in the skydiving industry is less than 35%. Compare this against most other retail industries where the markup is like 100%+ and you'll see that no one is "gouging" anyone out there. Skydiving is an expensive sport...sorry, but that's the way it is. I wish we could sell items at 5% over cost, but that simply doesn't keep the lights on! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #29 June 2, 2003 QuoteMy beef would be against the *dealer* if they marked it up significantly Wasn't really accusing anyone of marking up the price. Once again: QuoteIn this case, it sounds like it was just an error on the part of Parachutist. But I'm sure you won't read this post either.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #30 June 2, 2003 whatever dude... "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #31 June 2, 2003 www.skydivingsupplies.com sells there cypres for dealer price....supposedly.... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #32 June 2, 2003 Hmm - link doesn't work for me - I get 404. ARIN reports no DNS entry for that. The late Jeff Sands used to sell Cypres at his (dealer) cost. I thought that was very decent of him.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #33 June 2, 2003 QuoteQuoteThe lifecycle cost of ownership is less than the original Cypres though, right? Still trying to figgure that out, but I think you are right. Here is my thinking.... CYPRES 1 Retail Price (aprox)$1195 + 5sets of Batts at $95ea + 4&8year service at $180 = $2030USD CYPRES 2 Retail price (at 111%of CYPRES 1)=$1326.45 + 4&8year service (if it stays the same) at $180 = $1686.45 It depend on the cost of the 4 & 8 year service checks. Don't forget the replacement of the power supply at the 4 & 8 year checks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #34 June 3, 2003 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The lifecycle cost of ownership is less than the original Cypres though, right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Still trying to figgure that out, but I think you are right. Here is my thinking.... CYPRES 1 Retail Price (aprox)$1195 + 5sets of Batts at $95ea + 4&8year service at $180 = $2030USD CYPRES 2 Retail price (at 111%of CYPRES 1)=$1326.45 + 4&8year service (if it stays the same) at $180 = $1686.45 It depend on the cost of the 4 & 8 year service checks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't forget the replacement of the power supply at the 4 & 8 year checks I can't comment on that yet. I've asked the service center about the cost of service and how much it would go up with the changing of the power units, but have not recived an answer. If I guess an additional $95 for batteries at the 4 and 8 year mark that makes the cost of ownership $1876.45 or $156.37 per year, still less than the $169.17 per year for the CYPRES 1. It's all good as long as someone is still building good looking rigs to put tham in though! ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #35 June 3, 2003 How much so you think Dilithium Crystals cost, anyway? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airgord 1 #36 June 3, 2003 I personally witnessed 4 cypres saves, two of those were friends of mine, they were stupid to get that low and be saved by their AAD's but they are alive now and hopefully a little smarter. I now now have some jump stories with happy endings. It seems to me 1300 bucks is pretty cheap to keep your ourselves and our friends just a little bit safer. Cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #37 June 4, 2003 QuoteHow much so you think Dilithium Crystals cost, anyway? I don't really know the current fair market value on Dilithium right now, but it's the Anti-matter containment system that is the expensive part anyway..... ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #38 June 4, 2003 Quotethey were stupid to get that low and be saved by their AAD's I don't know them, but I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and not judge them as stupid. I know you didn't mean it literally as well. I would go out on a limb and and say they were careless about altitude awareness and suggest that perhaps, in many similar cases, if not this one, the CYPRES is the root cause. Some jumpers get the mindset that they have a CYPRES and at some level, because of it, they don't attach as much importance to altitude awaress as they should. Sure, they will tell you they don't rely on it and it is only a backup device. Uh huh. And yet seeing jumpers lose altitude awareness seems to have become common place. Maybe it is just me.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #39 June 4, 2003 I think Alan is right, if you get down and dirty and your AAD fires, you are stupid. It has happened to me before cypres and I was stupid as hell. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #40 June 4, 2003 "Oh, and IMO as for buying a competitors AAD, there isn't one on the market that has the track record, reliability, or service and support, that the AirTec units do. " Yeah JP, I know, I was just being sulky and petulant.Now they have Cypres2, a better mousetrap, and I am trying to figure out what the cost of ownership will be. It seems to be not much different than the original one, with the advantage of longer battery life, so lower unit downtime. Which is a big issue for me where my rigger lives about 3 hours away, so it takes a while to get a repack.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ECVZZ 0 #41 June 5, 2003 I have no intention of entering the fray regarding cost vs sell price here, as I happen to think that the Cypres (original version) is priced appropriately. My question here is for Ryan. You said: QuoteThe average margin btwn wholesale and retail in the skydiving industry is less than 35%. This is an honest question, btw. By the above statement, do you mean Profit margin, or Markup? Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #42 June 5, 2003 QuoteMy question here is for Ryan. You said: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The average margin btwn wholesale and retail in the skydiving industry is less than 35%. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an honest question, btw. By the above statement, do you mean Profit margin, or Markup? The difference between cost to a dealer and what the mfg. lists as "Retail" is almost never more than 35%...and is often less. Now, take into account that NO ONE sells at retail (because there are simply too many trunk dealers out there), the actual profit margin is almost never more than 15%, which anyone in sales will tell you is pretty much not enough to keep the lights on. For this particular instance (Cypres units) you also have to take into account that the price on the Cypres-1 has stayed the same, despite the change in the Euro...which is the unit we're billed in...which has caused the margin to go down almost monthly. It's almost a detriment to stock the things, based off up front costs, then you get chewed down for an additional $50 because someone found it online for cheaper! I've vented this before, but next time you go out and buy something from an internet site or a trunk dealer because it's cheaper, then take it to a shop and ask them to install it, don't wonder why they look disappointed. Those people that work in gear shops, for the most part, dedicate themselves to helping their customers make the right choices for their safety and enjoyment. If you can get service when something goes wrong on a product you buy from a trunk dealer, more power to you...but good luck with that! The extra money you pay to work with a shop is insurance for the future. You get what you pay for! "Get a real job then" I hear some of you saying...I work this job because I enjoy it, I have the background to be good at it, and because I like helping people. Would you really want someone with motives other than that helping you pick gear? "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #44 June 11, 2003 ...silly Malyan... "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #45 August 16, 2003 Sorry to bring this up again, but has anyone checked out the new cypres 2 banner ? I did a search and found nothing mentioning the Trade In. -- Hope you don't die. -- I'm fucking winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #46 August 16, 2003 The trade in deal came out when AirTec imposed 12 year life limits on Cypres 1 units. IIRC is a $60 credit, and AFAIK it applies towards the purchace of a Cypres 2 unit as well.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
