tosca 0 #1 June 18, 2003 You pack your friends parachute. If your friend get a mal which doesn´t seem to be related to body position, would you pay the re-pack? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThighMan 5 #2 June 18, 2003 Great question. I have not packed a mal (Knock on wood) but if the person asked me to pack for them then no. If I went ahead and packed it for them without being asked, yes. I know it is a little different but if asked, then I'm helping them out. If I just do it, it is on me. AirborneAirborne Blue Skies, No Wind Feet and Knees Together Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #4 June 18, 2003 Nope, and if someone packed a mal for me i wouldn't expect them to pay either. You just gotta accept shit happens.____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robskydiv 0 #5 June 18, 2003 I wouldn't pack my friend's chute. I'd teach him how to pack his own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 0 #6 June 18, 2003 nope.. I would give them thier 5 bucks back (or not have them pay for it), but mals happen (knock on wood for me as well) but thankfully I havent done that yet.... -yoshi_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyIvan 0 #7 June 18, 2003 Nope...shit happens. __________________________________________ Blue Skies and May the Force be with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #8 June 18, 2003 im suprised of the responses. What if it was an obvious lineover, or something like that? I think I would be tempted to at least pay for half of the repack, as I would feel horrible about it. My question is what about packers at DZs that pack for tandem rigs, what if you pack a mal? What does the DZ expect/do in this situation? I want to get a job packing for my DZ and my nightmare is packing a mal on a tandem --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dterrick 0 #9 June 19, 2003 There's no 'depends' I didn't vote. I can see both sides of the arguement. A GLARING fault (like an unstowed toggle on an eliptical) would concern me more than the cost of the repack (I'm pretty anal about my packing and I'd be harder on myself than anyone else). A QUESTIONABLE fault (spin up on opening, etc) would require discussion over beers. A 'shit happens' fault, well, where do you stop? I might offer my rig as a loaner until the repcak was done as a friend (like anyone wants to jump my Raven anyway...). What about a hard opening? My rigger/DZO packed my main for me right in front of my eyes promising that 'I'd have at LEAST one nice opening this weekend' - and that pack job slammed me to the point I had to quit for the weekend. Shit happens. No ill will, but as a rule I pack my rig, student rigs (per DZO perocedure), and any rig that I am loaned - only. Dave Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend (Lennon/McCartney) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cssriggers 0 #10 June 19, 2003 No. In my opinion, any A-or-above licenced packer who doesn't pack for themselves is paying their money (or asking a favor) and taking their chances. Students and tandems are another matter, as are obvious packing errors. Luckily I don't really have to deal with this much, as we have AWESOME packers. We've had two tandem cutaways in about three years, all due to long snivels. Unless there's an obvious packing error found on a cutaway main inspection, most mals aren't very clear-cut packing errors, in my opinion. Line twists, tension knots, even line-overs (especially on tandems) - who knows?? I know sloppy packing can cause them, but I've seen all three happen to very careful, experienced packers. A lot of stuff can happen - very fast - during canopy deployment at 120 mph. Read the orange warning label on your gear ... parachutes can malfunction even if properly maintained, used, packed etc.Alpha Mike Foxtrot, JHL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #11 June 19, 2003 no, because in a essence, they caused it. they let you pack, they could of packed it themselves. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #12 June 19, 2003 Quotenope.. I would give them thier 5 bucks back (or not have them pay for it), but mals happen (knock on wood for me as well) but thankfully I havent done that yet.... cough cough, i seam to remember someone packing a total for, um who was it, that's right, it was jonny. it's ok though, it was a pull out, and he should of taught you how to pack it, and he should of checked it. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #13 June 19, 2003 Buy the repack. That's what the good packers do anyways (if it was determined to be the pack job). Not only that, but its not that much money and is a nice thing to do for a friend.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrHixxx 0 #14 June 19, 2003 I would repack it if I hooked the main up wrong. Otherwise, all bets are off. Even a properly packed main can function on ya. -Hixxxdeath,as men call him, ends what they call men -but beauty is more now than dying’s when Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #15 June 19, 2003 At the DZ I learned to jump at, only DZ packers were allowed to pack the rental gear (the jumpers were not allowed to pack their rented gear even if they wanted to). Despite this, if you had a mal on rental gear, it was assumed your fault and you had to pay for the repack. Nice, eh? Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpy 0 #16 June 19, 2003 I would most definetely hand them one of the beers they bought for there mal I'd never expect anyone to pay for my repack if I had a mal and they packed it.. and in return I'd never expect them to expect me to. Shit happens. Deal with it and move on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tosca 0 #17 June 19, 2003 I would pay for the re-pack if the mal could have been packing related. I think it´s nice to do for the friend who maybe got in trouble because of me. I also think it sends a message that 'I pack your parachute so carefully that I expect the risk of a packing related mal function is going to be small enough to take the risk to pay for the re-pack when it happens'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skeptik 0 #18 June 19, 2003 I tell you one story who happens with me. I russian and not have good knowledge on english language, that not beat me hard for it. It was at this winter. My girl friend (not playmate, but it's not important ) ask me for repack her main. Her rig was leased on my good friend. I pack main, and she had a cutaway in this jump. We don't determine, what type of mal was reason for this cutaway, and I think, that cutaway may not related with my packing. But I don't know it for sure. Finally I was pay for repack the reserve, and she give a beer. I don't care that it was really fairly for me, but money is only money, and friends is a friends. And I glad if I can do something good for my friends in this trouble situation.--------------------------------------- Íàñ ó÷èëè íå æèòü, íàñ ó÷èëè óìèðàòü ñòîÿ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #19 June 19, 2003 At one of the DZ's I do Tandems at I don’t pack all of the time but many times I do. I did have a function on a tandem a few weeks ago on a rig I did not pack. First inkling on that is Shit happens. If you want to go to a place where packing a tandem is a stressful experience there is Michael Hawkes (I think) who owns the Tandem DZ down in Vegas. I read a policy one time where it basically said ALL tandem packs are taped and if a function happens and it is traced back to a packing error then the packer pays the re-pack. They also had a rotation of packers and a traning/re-traning plan in place on packing the tandems as well. Not so fun as a packer I would guess but you would not have a question as to how the TM wanted it packed, there was only one way.... Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoshi 0 #20 June 19, 2003 Quotecough cough, i seam to remember someone packing a total for, um who was it, that's right, it was jonny. it's ok though, it was a pull out, and he should of taught you how to pack it, and he should of checked it. ohh yeah.. well I have been trying to forget about that one.. I didnt pay for the repack, but I did pay for a new pilot chute and free bag... that was actually my fault, toms fault and jonny's fault.. mine since I packed it, toms since he told me how to do it, and jonnys for not checking it.. ahh well.. hes ok and back in richmond so all is good:) -yoshi_________________________________________ this space for rent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #21 June 20, 2003 Nope..I'd buy them beer though...If you ask for a pack job, you ask for all that comes with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KCJumper 0 #22 June 20, 2003 I want to get a job packing for my DZ and my nightmare is packing a mal on a tandem. I'm in my first year as a skydiver and had the opportunity to learn over the winter. As soon as spring hit they had me packing tandems. Sure it's a little nerve racking packing for two. But as one of my tandem master's said "there's that tandem phenomena. You never know when it's going to hit." All you can do is pack to the best of your ability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
