Hazarrd 1 #1 June 24, 2003 Hello, I just finished AFF and purchased a used Javelin J2 with a PD160 Reserve. I would like to purchase a 170sf main but I'm not sure what to look for. I'd prefer to have a used one, mainly to save money and because it will be slightly worn so I will have an easier time getting it into the J2 that really only holds up to 150. Any suggestions? Thanks. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #2 June 24, 2003 Personally, I think ALL new jumpers should buy used gear. Still to this day, I'd take a used main over a new one anyday....(I hate packing new canopies) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #3 June 24, 2003 I was looking more for a suggestion on what kind of canopy I should look for... .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 June 24, 2003 Have you talked to your instructors? They could help point you in a good direction for the type of main you should buy. Now, some good mains for beginners (when used at a good beginner wingloading): Sabre Sabre2 Spectre Paracommander... Ok, I was joking about the PC, but the rest are good for newbies when used at low wingloadings. And remember talk to your instructors!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genn 0 #5 June 24, 2003 Depending on whether you're a 9 cell or 7 cell flyer...I'd go with a Sabre or a Spectre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #6 June 24, 2003 Talk to your instructors...they know you best and can make a more educated decision with you than anyone here can. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betzilla 56 #7 June 24, 2003 I've got a Sabre 170 that's black, royal blue and magenta, for $800. It's got 600 jumps on it (easy to pack) and a new lineset. PM me if you're interested. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #8 June 24, 2003 Hey Betsy, this forum really isn't the place for advertisements. You should have just PM'd or told the lad to check out the classifieds: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/detail_page.cgi?ID=367&d=1 PEACE,"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
betzilla 56 #9 June 24, 2003 You know, right when I hit post, I thought of that . Sorry... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #10 June 24, 2003 a triathalon is also a good starter canopy. plus, the old triathalons are easier to pack then most canopies. also good are what aggie said- sabre1 & 2, spectre. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #11 June 24, 2003 QuoteHave you talked to your instructors? They could help point you in a good direction for the type of main you should buy. Now, some good mains for beginners (when used at a good beginner wingloading): Sabre Sabre2 Spectre Paracommander... Ok, I was joking about the PC, but the rest are good for newbies when used at low wingloadings. And remember talk to your instructors! Ok, now I am gonna sound like a real newbie. Can someone explain to me how wingloading works? I don't have any clue as to what it is. Thanks. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleBadger 0 #12 June 24, 2003 Wingloading = kitup weight/ canopy size Generally agreed to be kept low to start with until you build up experience!!! Dispite what many think then you don't need a massive wing loading to learn and play with your canopy... just changing from an F111 to a ZP is a pretty big step Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyer299 0 #13 June 24, 2003 When I got off of AFF I got myself a Spectre 170 and I love it. To be honest, there are a lot of good choices for your first chute. It will come down to availability, price, and finding the colors you like. I've never met a person who has flown a Spectre, Sabre2, or Tri who didn't like it. Some people will talk about small differences between them, but over all you'll like them all. Like everyone says, talk to your instructors who know how you fly and they will help point you in the right direction. Be sure to have anything you buy used checked out by your rigger. 95% of the time it is perfect and ready to go, but you want to find out about those 5% before you buy and before you jump the first time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleBadger 0 #14 June 25, 2003 Oh yeah, forgot to say... Don't trust the person selling the kit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #15 June 25, 2003 QuoteCan someone explain to me how wingloading works? I don't have any clue as to what it is. Thanks. I can't explain very well how it works, but what it is is as PB said...the ratio of weight suspended under the canopy. For example, a skydiver weighs 150. Add 20 pounds of gear (or "kit"), (which includes everything you wear in the sky), and you have an "exit" weight. 150+20=170. If you jump a 170 canopy, you will then load it at 1:1. If you jump a 190, you will then load it at (can't find the calculator...) something like .09:1. If you jump a 150, you will then load it at something like 1.2:1 *Keep in mind my numbers are rough...use the calculator). The lighter the load, the more gently you will come in on a straight approach landing. It is commonly thought that starting low (1:1 or less) is the best way to make sure you don't break legs or backs, or not die because you did something stupid (and we all do "stupids"...the key is walking away from it having learned...not going to the hospital to learn a whole new vocabulary and experiment with the best pain reducing drugs...). Keep it lightly loaded, and you can progress really well with the proper coaching. Good luck! And remember there's no rush towards a small canopy, and that the sky will wait for you to be ready for it, but is unmerciful if you're playing outside your personal envelope. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #16 June 25, 2003 QuoteI would like to purchase a 170sf main but I'm not sure what to look for. Why? Why not get the 150 that the J2 was designed to hold? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andy2 0 #17 June 25, 2003 [QUOTE]The lighter the load, the more gently you will come in on a straight approach landing.[/QUOTE] Excuse me if I am wrong, but a lighter WL will always come in softer on ANY type of approach as compared to a higher WL. --------------------------------------------- let my inspiration flow, in token rhyme suggesting rhythm... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleBadger 0 #18 June 25, 2003 maybe Hazarrd has decided that a 170 is a good size to start on? I for one won't be saying that people are wrong to get a canopy size that they feel comfortable with. If there is any problem with fitting a 170 into the J2 then I'd like to know, since currently I pack my Sabre2 135 into a Jav NJ designed for a 120... it only meant that I needed to improve my packing. If Hazarrd is concerned about pack volume then bear in mind that a 7 cell has a slightly smaller pack volume then a 9 cell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #19 June 25, 2003 My wingloading is going to be 1.05:1 This should be OK, right? This will be my first rig and I have 8 jumps. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #20 June 25, 2003 QuoteMy wingloading is going to be 1.05:1 This should be OK, right? Talk to your instructors!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #21 June 25, 2003 QuoteMy wingloading is going to be 1.05:1 This should be OK, right? This will be my first rig and I have 8 jumps. Would it bother you if your wingloading were 1.11? That's your wingloading on that PD160-Reserve. Think you can land it (based on your WL) in someone's back yard? You seem concerned about keeping your WL mighty close to 1.0 for your main, why are willing to increase your wingload on your Last Chance Parachute? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #22 June 25, 2003 [lquote]You seem concerned about keeping your WL mighty close to 1.0 for your main, why are willing to increase your wingload on your Last Chance Parachute? Very very very very very most excellent good point! Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleBadger 0 #23 June 25, 2003 Can I just ask if you have test jumped any 170's yet? what size student kit you have been jumping? wingloading is a guidline, it's not the be all and end all with your selection. Also if in doubt on the size of your reserve bigger would be better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #24 June 25, 2003 There is also nothing wrong with getting a rig or main or whatever and renting a bigger rig (maybe 190 main and 176r) until you feel( and your instructors feel) you are ready to go to a 170. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydive84 0 #25 June 25, 2003 Ur wing loading would be fine on the 170. Just be careful on the first few jumps. Setup for final nice and early. Talk to your instructors about the different flare characteristics on a ZP canopy. I would recommend trying to demo ur reserve when you have a few more jumps. Just so you are confidant you can handle it. Reserves are alot more docile than main canopies so 1.1 isnt a big deal. Adi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
