SKYPEDESTRIAN 0 #1 July 6, 2003 The main pack tray's top flap protector on my Javelin Odyssey (J-5 containing Safire 209,d.o.m. April, 2002, with 265 total jumps on it) blows open frequently when I fly upright, leaving it flapping wildly and exposing my pin. I route the bridle per the owner's manual and have tightened my closing loop to the point that I can only close the rig with a Powertool, and it still blows open. Any advice would be most appreciated. Thanks. skypedestrian@earthlink.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #2 July 6, 2003 What size container and what size main do you have in it? Have you contacted the manufacturer for advice yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SKYPEDESTRIAN 0 #3 July 6, 2003 Hey, Lisa. It is a J-5 with a Safire 209 in it. I emailed SunPath two days ago and look forward to hearing from them. Thanks. skypedestrian@earthlink.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #4 July 7, 2003 Hmmm... original Safire or Safire 2? The J5 is built for "up to 240 sq ft" zp mains. It's possible the main is too small to fill the container up enough to keep the tab tucked in (did that make any sense at all??). If you could, please post and let us know what Sunpath says. I'm curious! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites betzilla 56 #5 July 7, 2003 QuoteHmmm... original Safire or Safire 2? The J5 is built for "up to 240 sq ft" zp mains. It's possible the main is too small to fill the container up enough to keep the tab tucked in (did that make any sense at all??). That sounds like a problem one of our local jumpers had after downsizing to a canopy smaller than the container was built for. there is a fix for it, involving a larger chunk of stiffener for the bottom main flap, I think. SunPath will hook you up, or it can be done by the rigger here (maybe any master rigger). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hooknswoop 19 #6 July 7, 2003 Also, a piece of type-12 sewn to the top flap so that the tuck tab tucks into the type-12 makes for a very secure main tuck tab on Javelins and Vector II's. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SKYPEDESTRIAN 0 #7 July 7, 2003 Thanks to everyone. Will print out these ideas and take to my rigger. Also, will post what SunPath says when they get back to me after their holiday. Never considered that my main might be on the small end of the pack volume range for the container. It sure looks like it fills the container up. skypedestrian@earthlink.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #8 July 7, 2003 I had that problem with my reflex what I did was put the tuck tab between just the 2 side flaps and not under the 3rd flap (top flap) so the tab was pinched between the side flaps and the top flap. Worked like a charm, but when you get a pin check in the plane you have to make sure you tell the person how to reclose it or they will stuff it under all 3 flaps.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites usskydiver 0 #9 July 7, 2003 Mike, Some good responses but keep the following in mind. 1. The reserve size and how the reserve is packed will affect the main flap staying secure. 2. The main closing length will also have an affect. 3. DO NOT add any tuck tabs without the manufacturers approval. It may work a million times in the field, but if the mfr. didn't approve it, it's not a legal modification. 4. IMO (and this is grey in the FAR's) any of those mods could be construed as an alteration to the reserve because both of the flaps in question are pieces of fabric that attach to the reserve container. Like I said IMO. Tim Maggot PS. References provided upon request Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #10 July 8, 2003 Why is buddy opening your main pin cover in the airplane? He should be able to see your pin while glancing at your rig from the side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites usskydiver 0 #11 July 8, 2003 Rob, No offense intended but in order to ensure the pilot chute is cocked, you would need to open the flap. That is, unless you use a pull-out (like I do). Tim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SKYPEDESTRIAN 0 #12 July 11, 2003 Following up as promised, although I doubt anyone will read this: SunPath says my main is on the "small end" of the size range for the container. Thanks to everyone. MJ skypedestrian@earthlink.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites usskydiver 0 #13 July 12, 2003 QuoteFollowing up as promised, although I doubt anyone will read this: SunPath says my main is on the "small end" of the size range for the container. Thanks to everyone. MJ Michael, OK: your main may be on the small size for your container but please, refer to my earlier post. There are many things that may cause your main flap to come open. It's between you and your rigger to eliminate those causes. Tim Maggot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mollusc 0 #14 July 12, 2003 I had the same problem on my javelin j-1 with a silhouette 170 in it. I just put two rubber bands around the flap to increase friction. Works like sugar. And they stay there during deployment so you will not burst your rubber band budget either. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
betzilla 56 #5 July 7, 2003 QuoteHmmm... original Safire or Safire 2? The J5 is built for "up to 240 sq ft" zp mains. It's possible the main is too small to fill the container up enough to keep the tab tucked in (did that make any sense at all??). That sounds like a problem one of our local jumpers had after downsizing to a canopy smaller than the container was built for. there is a fix for it, involving a larger chunk of stiffener for the bottom main flap, I think. SunPath will hook you up, or it can be done by the rigger here (maybe any master rigger). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #6 July 7, 2003 Also, a piece of type-12 sewn to the top flap so that the tuck tab tucks into the type-12 makes for a very secure main tuck tab on Javelins and Vector II's. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SKYPEDESTRIAN 0 #7 July 7, 2003 Thanks to everyone. Will print out these ideas and take to my rigger. Also, will post what SunPath says when they get back to me after their holiday. Never considered that my main might be on the small end of the pack volume range for the container. It sure looks like it fills the container up. skypedestrian@earthlink.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #8 July 7, 2003 I had that problem with my reflex what I did was put the tuck tab between just the 2 side flaps and not under the 3rd flap (top flap) so the tab was pinched between the side flaps and the top flap. Worked like a charm, but when you get a pin check in the plane you have to make sure you tell the person how to reclose it or they will stuff it under all 3 flaps.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usskydiver 0 #9 July 7, 2003 Mike, Some good responses but keep the following in mind. 1. The reserve size and how the reserve is packed will affect the main flap staying secure. 2. The main closing length will also have an affect. 3. DO NOT add any tuck tabs without the manufacturers approval. It may work a million times in the field, but if the mfr. didn't approve it, it's not a legal modification. 4. IMO (and this is grey in the FAR's) any of those mods could be construed as an alteration to the reserve because both of the flaps in question are pieces of fabric that attach to the reserve container. Like I said IMO. Tim Maggot PS. References provided upon request Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #10 July 8, 2003 Why is buddy opening your main pin cover in the airplane? He should be able to see your pin while glancing at your rig from the side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usskydiver 0 #11 July 8, 2003 Rob, No offense intended but in order to ensure the pilot chute is cocked, you would need to open the flap. That is, unless you use a pull-out (like I do). Tim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SKYPEDESTRIAN 0 #12 July 11, 2003 Following up as promised, although I doubt anyone will read this: SunPath says my main is on the "small end" of the size range for the container. Thanks to everyone. MJ skypedestrian@earthlink.net Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usskydiver 0 #13 July 12, 2003 QuoteFollowing up as promised, although I doubt anyone will read this: SunPath says my main is on the "small end" of the size range for the container. Thanks to everyone. MJ Michael, OK: your main may be on the small size for your container but please, refer to my earlier post. There are many things that may cause your main flap to come open. It's between you and your rigger to eliminate those causes. Tim Maggot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mollusc 0 #14 July 12, 2003 I had the same problem on my javelin j-1 with a silhouette 170 in it. I just put two rubber bands around the flap to increase friction. Works like sugar. And they stay there during deployment so you will not burst your rubber band budget either. :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
