skybytch 273 #51 July 21, 2003 QuoteEither way, you're getting a good, safe rig. Pick the one YOU like. Best advice I've seen on this thread so far. I choose Infinity over Wings because I live on the west coast and Velocity Sports is also on the west coast. Regional bias, I guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #52 July 21, 2003 QuoteThe great thing about Infinities is they have the behind the scenes engineering and quality control that make the rig work so well- and make it safe- without a bunch of extraneous visable devices that make you feel better but don't do anything I would put a Vector against any other rig any day for design. Now I am not saying that any other rig is bad, but if you want to talk engineering...I think Both and his boys have that down. Invented 3 rings Invented hand deploy Co-Invented Tandems Did a great study on 3 rings and GAVE it to anyone that asked (How many companies have done that?) Skyhook Sigma I am sure the list goes on. QuoteThe new small manufacturers like Velocity Sports or Sunrise Riggings may haven't a long tradition, but sometimes it seems to be that they've brought some innovations in the sport. Name one from Infinity. And did it change the face of the sport? QuoteYou might wear a Vector 3 or a Mirage G4 have extra stripes and flaps that make it look more complicated Or look better...Art is very subjective. QuoteI guess it just comes down to the personality type. Do you go for understated style, function and quality? Or do you go for quality (Vectors and Mirages certainly are) but at the same time want everyone know you spent a lot of money on your rig? I think it more comes down to cost and area you live. If you just wanted quality, and saftey. You could get an all black Dolphin. As for cost even...It is effected by where you live. I bet that the people in DeLand have more Vectors than Zhills. And I bet there are more Infinities at Kapowsin than anywhere else. QuoteIn both companies work designers which came from top manufacturers (Sunpath & RWS). So they LEARN how to do things, then start their own companies? If you want true knowledge...why not go to the source? And if they are the source of knowledge, and the top manufacturers (your words, not mine) Then why jump anything else???? Just because its cheap? Like I said you want cheap, get a Dolphin. How to buy gear...the Ron Hill way: 1. Go to your DZ.... 2. Look left, look right. 3. Notice what everone else seems to be jumping on your DZ. 4. Buy the same damn thing. If everyone seems to be jumping the same thing...I bet that there is a reason...Could be cost, availability, style...Hell, who cares. Its not about fitting in...It is a practical set of reasons. If you have a problem with it. Chances are others have had the same problem. And know the solution. If you cut away and loose something, chances are that someone has one you can beg, borrow ,buy, steal to keep jumping. Ever see a guy with a very odd container have a cut away and loose his freebag? Then he can't find one on the DZ, and has to wait till one comes from Timbucktu to get a repack. I had a reserve PC get torn on a recovery in DeLand, and I had a new one in like 10 mins. I have seen guys with rigs from France have to wait a week or more. And chances are that there is a discount out there. I bet I could buy a Wings or Javelin for less than I could get an Infinity....But I live in Zhills."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #53 July 21, 2003 QuoteI would put a Vector against any other rig any day for design. Now I am not saying that any other rig is bad, but if you want to talk engineering...I think Both and his boys have that down. Invented 3 rings Invented hand deploy Co-Invented Tandems Did a great study on 3 rings and GAVE it to anyone that asked (How many companies have done that?) Skyhook Sigma I am sure the list goes on. Yes, they did all of that and more over a period of 30 YEARS, Velocity Sports has been in business for 5. I'm not sure exactly which 3 ring study you speak of, but the construction manual that I have from RWS cost me $10 (not much, but not FREE as implied). Skyhook- it's funny how a certain manufacturer can come out with a product that does pretty much the same thing as another that was patented 10 years ago and all of a sudden it is the latest and greatest. There are so many ways to deploy a reserve direcly from a main, that it is almost pointless to patent a particular method. I was going to introduce a system like this with the Infinity, but the way the skydiving public (and industry) work, it would have just been another "whacky idea from the left coast" without a ton of money to promote it. I think if the Skyhook has a positive impact on reducing fatalities, it is going to be simply because more people will be jumping with an RSL (a feature that is standard on every Infinity), as opposed to saving someone that cutaway below 200 feet. Quote QuoteThe new small manufacturers like Velocity Sports or Sunrise Riggings may haven't a long tradition, but sometimes it seems to be that they've brought some innovations in the sport. Name one from Infinity. And did it change the face of the sport? Lets put it this way, do you think that ANYONE would go into business for themselves if they didn't think they had something to bring to the public? PM me if you want some details. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #54 July 21, 2003 Hey Kelly (everyone at Aggieland was disappointed when you weren't able to swing by on the way to PIA, btw ). QuoteSkyhook- it's funny how a certain manufacturer can come out with a product that does pretty much the same thing as another that was patented 10 years ago and all of a sudden it is the latest and greatest. One of our riggers had a conversation about that with Bill Booth at PIA. He said he had been working on it, trying to get it where he was really happy with it for the past 15 years...Not that it makes any difference here, but I found that interesting.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KellyF 16 #55 July 21, 2003 QuoteHey Kelly (everyone at Aggieland was disappointed when you weren't able to swing by on the way to PIA, btw ). QuoteSkyhook- it's funny how a certain manufacturer can come out with a product that does pretty much the same thing as another that was patented 10 years ago and all of a sudden it is the latest and greatest. One of our riggers had a conversation about that with Bill Booth at PIA. He said he had been working on it, trying to get it where he was really happy with it for the past 15 years...Not that it makes any difference here, but I found that interesting. Yeah, I still don't have that damn car that I was planning on driving Anyway, I know Bill had been working on it (off and on) for quite some time (I know he had hardware and some test jumping going on as early as 1991), but that doesn't mean other people haven't been playing with it also Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #56 July 21, 2003 QuoteHow to buy gear...the Ron Hill way: 1. Go to your DZ.... 2. Look left, look right. 3. Notice what everone else seems to be jumping on your DZ. 4. Buy the same damn thing. If everyone seems to be jumping the same thing...I bet that there is a reason...Could be cost, availability, style...Hell, who cares. Could be that the dz cut a deal with a manufacturer for the staff, and everyone else used the Ron Hill method. No offense, but that's the worst reason I ever heard to choose equipment. If you go with one of the known names, with proven track records, you can't really go wrong. But there are subtle differences that will make a difference to you depending on what you're looking for. People (staff) tried so hard at one dz to talk me out of buying a Wings. Glad I didn't listen to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matttrudeau 0 #57 July 21, 2003 I bet you've never seen an Odyssey main flap open though.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rigging65 0 #58 July 21, 2003 QuoteI bet you've never seen an Odyssey main flap open though.. Ummm...actually, I have. In fact, we've got two of them on our DZ that come open pretty often. No rig is bullet proof, it's just the way it is. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matttrudeau 0 #59 July 21, 2003 I'm surprised to hear that. Although, I have seen Mirages and Wings main flaps open too. So I guess no rig has a rock solid main flap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rigging65 0 #60 July 22, 2003 Like I said man, no rig is bullet proof. Some are better than others, but so much of it depends on how you're stuffing the rig (under, over, whatever). I'll give you this; The newer main flaps are better than the older ones! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hkf 0 #61 July 22, 2003 I have been viewing these forums for a number of months, but never felt compelled to post until now. I can't comment on Infinity as I have never jumped one. I currently own a Wings DOM 02/03 and can't fault it. The customer service is fantastic, the prices give excellent value for money, it is soooo very comfortable in freefall and under canopy, and it looks great! I can't imagine ever owning another rig! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #62 July 22, 2003 QuoteCould be that the dz cut a deal with a manufacturer for the staff, and everyone else used the Ron Hill method. No offense, but that's the worst reason I ever heard to choose equipment Ok well you missed the whole loose something and you can find a part. And another thing....I like the fact that my rigger packs hundreds of Vectors a year.....She only packs a few Infinitys....Now any rigger should be able to pack any rig. But I like the fact that mine does so many of my type of rig. I am going to give you a product...Ask people about it. Nova. Find out why they don't jump them much anymore. Never be the first on the block with a new toy. Ron"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #63 July 22, 2003 QuoteI am going to give you a product...Ask people about it. Nova. Find out why they don't jump them much anymore. Never be the first on the block with a new toy. The Infinity has been available in it's current configuration for a few years. Your comparison is not valid, and imho comes close to being an accusation of inferior quality or design. There's a perfect rig for me, and a perfect rig for you, and a perfect rig for someone else. They don't all have to be the same rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #64 July 22, 2003 QuoteThe Infinity has been available in it's current configuration for a few years. Your comparison is not valid, and imho comes close to being an accusation of inferior quality or design. Sorry not ment that way. It was ment to say, that don't be the one guy on the DZ with something different. I have had a few people come up to me and ask me about buying a Nova...They say "Hey Ron, a guy offored to sell me a canopy for a great deal! like 500 bucks!" I ask "What kind?" They say "I don't know, but I have not heard the name before.....I think its a Nova?" Me "Run like hell from it" Now I don't think the Infinity is a bad container. I have jumped them, and they were nice. But for the reasons I said earlier...I will not buy one. I want my rigger to know my type of rig...I want to be able to get a reserve PC if I loose mine.....I want to know of problem as soon as possible. But if you want to get some other rig have fun. I knew a guy that jumped a rig from England...He had it BECAUSE it was different. When he lost the Reserve PC after a mal, he had to wait 3 weeks to geta new one. I lost a reserve PC on my Vector, and had my rig packed in 2 hrs. Like you said not every rig is for everyone. And to be honest if I were in WA. I might be jumping an Infinity. But I'm not, so I don't."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #65 July 22, 2003 QuoteAnd to be honest if I were in WA. I might be jumping an Infinity. But I'm not, so I don't. I'll be living in Florida soon. I have no doubt Velocity Sports will continue to take care of me as well as they have in the past. You make a good point - it's not a bad idea at all to buy the most popular rig on your dz. This guarantees that local riggers and packers will be familiar with it. But I wouldn't make that my sole criteria for choosing a new container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #66 July 22, 2003 QuoteThis guarantees that local riggers and packers will be familiar with it. But I wouldn't make that my sole criteria for choosing a new container. I would actually expect my rigger and packer to already be reasonably familar with the major brands and if not put the time in to become so when they have a customer with equipment they are not familar with, if they didnt would be looking for another rigger/packer. So once i was pretty certain i was buying an Infinity I asked, both my rigger and packer at Eloy were familar with and recommended Infinity as a container, even though they are not very common there.. I agree completely Lisa I cant imagine anyone at Velocity Sports would leave you hanging if you have equipment issues over on the east coast. They put up with all sorts of silly questions and changes from me..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #67 July 22, 2003 QuoteIt was ment to say, that don't be the one guy on the DZ with something different. Back when Freeflying was in it's infancy the rage on the DZ was vector II. I was in the market for a new rig to Replace my Old Talon Classic ... Brick. So after some research I took a look at the Flexon. Didn't like it. In 92, I saw an add for the Newer Talon and it came with the F.A.S.T. harness. After taking a good look at it, I decided it was a better choice for My flying style. My Friend ( who also became my Team mate later) and I decided to purchase one. We bought a size T3-1. Sure enough we were not only chastized for our Flying style but now, our gear choice. The Rig was great. It had a few growing pains to go through. I met up with Rob From RI at the world freefall convention... must have been 93? and He looked at our rigs with the broken reserve cover flaps. Immeadiatly he said the rigger folded it back ward and Broke it. Well it was the fact it wasn't long enough and had Crummy plastic in it. Standing up for a whole skydive took it's toll on the flapping Cover. I was the rigger so I knew I didn't break it ANy way, that was pretty much the extent of the trouble. It was Obviously a good choice of rigs especially given the choices in 92. The point of all that. I was happy to be the first kid to own something different. The Infinity however, is not different. It's just a very sound rig. It's currently my first choice of rigs if I buy a new one.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Ron 10 #68 July 25, 2003 QuoteHe looked at our rigs with the broken reserve cover flaps. Immeadiatly he said the rigger folded it back ward and Broke it. Well it was the fact it wasn't long enough and had Crummy plastic in it. Standing up for a whole skydive took it's toll on the flapping Cover. I was the rigger so I knew I didn't break But do you see how being the first was not the best thing? I bet the newer rigs have better plastic and its long enough."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hookitt 1 #69 July 25, 2003 QuoteBut do you see how being the first was not the best thing? I bet the newer rigs have better plastic and its long enough I see where you're attepting to go here but I also see how My desision was a MUCH better choice than the rig being pushed at the DZ. Secure Riser coverage. A main flap that stayed shut. Good bridle protection. My other choice had none of these. The Reserve cover flap design on my other choice, was not good for Freestyle or standing for long periods or flying on my back. When the flap is open it flaps around and can very easily damage the attachment point and the Yoke. The pin was easier to push out. Even Though the Reserve cover flap broke, it still had better coverage, was easier to repair. As a belly rig, it wouldn't have broken. There fore the flap change wouldn't have taken place so soon. The 2 choices of rigs in the original post are not new. And New does not nessecarily equal bad.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #70 July 25, 2003 Additionally, it'll be much easier to sell the "gear of choice on your DZ" when it comes time to get rid of it. This might not be an issue at Perris, but it certainly was an issue at that tiny little dz in upstate NY where I started jumping. There, people kept talking me out of buying what would have perfectly good gear, but was unknown to them. In Chicago at a medium sized DZ, everyone jumps Jav's, and all the new jumpers want to buy Jav's. Here, people know about alternatives, but want the "in" gear. While a knowledgable person like Lisa, or Ron, or (humbly) myself might know "X" brand is perfectly good, selling that gear later WILL be harder. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dgskydive 0 #71 July 25, 2003 Resale value should be taken in to account when buying new gear. Especially if it is your first rig. You more than likely won't keep it forever. I agree that the resale right now on the Infinity is not as good as let's say, an Odyssey. But the way they have been selling this year they should have a very good resale in the next year or two. We have been selling them all over the U.S. this year and overseas as well. With the Odyssey wait time so long people don't want to wait. They all want it now. Why pay 300-400 dollars more for a rig that is not gonna be ready for 5 or 6 months? just so you can be a part of the crowd? With the quality and wait time of the Infinty it is slowly becoming our most sought after rig. People talk about customer service, Kelly and the crew at Velocity are great. Never complain, and they give you options for free that others charge you big bucks for. I remeber in 96 I came to Perris to stay and I was the only one on the whole DZ with an Infinty. Now they are all over the place. People know a good product when they see one. I will not talk bad about any manufacture out there (at least in a public forum) most rigs on the market are great these days, but for overall quality and service Velocity is my choice. Always has been and unless things go real bad always will be. Thanks Kelly for carrying on a great Product!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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PhillyKev 0 #56 July 21, 2003 QuoteHow to buy gear...the Ron Hill way: 1. Go to your DZ.... 2. Look left, look right. 3. Notice what everone else seems to be jumping on your DZ. 4. Buy the same damn thing. If everyone seems to be jumping the same thing...I bet that there is a reason...Could be cost, availability, style...Hell, who cares. Could be that the dz cut a deal with a manufacturer for the staff, and everyone else used the Ron Hill method. No offense, but that's the worst reason I ever heard to choose equipment. If you go with one of the known names, with proven track records, you can't really go wrong. But there are subtle differences that will make a difference to you depending on what you're looking for. People (staff) tried so hard at one dz to talk me out of buying a Wings. Glad I didn't listen to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matttrudeau 0 #57 July 21, 2003 I bet you've never seen an Odyssey main flap open though.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #58 July 21, 2003 QuoteI bet you've never seen an Odyssey main flap open though.. Ummm...actually, I have. In fact, we've got two of them on our DZ that come open pretty often. No rig is bullet proof, it's just the way it is. "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matttrudeau 0 #59 July 21, 2003 I'm surprised to hear that. Although, I have seen Mirages and Wings main flaps open too. So I guess no rig has a rock solid main flap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #60 July 22, 2003 Like I said man, no rig is bullet proof. Some are better than others, but so much of it depends on how you're stuffing the rig (under, over, whatever). I'll give you this; The newer main flaps are better than the older ones! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hkf 0 #61 July 22, 2003 I have been viewing these forums for a number of months, but never felt compelled to post until now. I can't comment on Infinity as I have never jumped one. I currently own a Wings DOM 02/03 and can't fault it. The customer service is fantastic, the prices give excellent value for money, it is soooo very comfortable in freefall and under canopy, and it looks great! I can't imagine ever owning another rig! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #62 July 22, 2003 QuoteCould be that the dz cut a deal with a manufacturer for the staff, and everyone else used the Ron Hill method. No offense, but that's the worst reason I ever heard to choose equipment Ok well you missed the whole loose something and you can find a part. And another thing....I like the fact that my rigger packs hundreds of Vectors a year.....She only packs a few Infinitys....Now any rigger should be able to pack any rig. But I like the fact that mine does so many of my type of rig. I am going to give you a product...Ask people about it. Nova. Find out why they don't jump them much anymore. Never be the first on the block with a new toy. Ron"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #63 July 22, 2003 QuoteI am going to give you a product...Ask people about it. Nova. Find out why they don't jump them much anymore. Never be the first on the block with a new toy. The Infinity has been available in it's current configuration for a few years. Your comparison is not valid, and imho comes close to being an accusation of inferior quality or design. There's a perfect rig for me, and a perfect rig for you, and a perfect rig for someone else. They don't all have to be the same rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #64 July 22, 2003 QuoteThe Infinity has been available in it's current configuration for a few years. Your comparison is not valid, and imho comes close to being an accusation of inferior quality or design. Sorry not ment that way. It was ment to say, that don't be the one guy on the DZ with something different. I have had a few people come up to me and ask me about buying a Nova...They say "Hey Ron, a guy offored to sell me a canopy for a great deal! like 500 bucks!" I ask "What kind?" They say "I don't know, but I have not heard the name before.....I think its a Nova?" Me "Run like hell from it" Now I don't think the Infinity is a bad container. I have jumped them, and they were nice. But for the reasons I said earlier...I will not buy one. I want my rigger to know my type of rig...I want to be able to get a reserve PC if I loose mine.....I want to know of problem as soon as possible. But if you want to get some other rig have fun. I knew a guy that jumped a rig from England...He had it BECAUSE it was different. When he lost the Reserve PC after a mal, he had to wait 3 weeks to geta new one. I lost a reserve PC on my Vector, and had my rig packed in 2 hrs. Like you said not every rig is for everyone. And to be honest if I were in WA. I might be jumping an Infinity. But I'm not, so I don't."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #65 July 22, 2003 QuoteAnd to be honest if I were in WA. I might be jumping an Infinity. But I'm not, so I don't. I'll be living in Florida soon. I have no doubt Velocity Sports will continue to take care of me as well as they have in the past. You make a good point - it's not a bad idea at all to buy the most popular rig on your dz. This guarantees that local riggers and packers will be familiar with it. But I wouldn't make that my sole criteria for choosing a new container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #66 July 22, 2003 QuoteThis guarantees that local riggers and packers will be familiar with it. But I wouldn't make that my sole criteria for choosing a new container. I would actually expect my rigger and packer to already be reasonably familar with the major brands and if not put the time in to become so when they have a customer with equipment they are not familar with, if they didnt would be looking for another rigger/packer. So once i was pretty certain i was buying an Infinity I asked, both my rigger and packer at Eloy were familar with and recommended Infinity as a container, even though they are not very common there.. I agree completely Lisa I cant imagine anyone at Velocity Sports would leave you hanging if you have equipment issues over on the east coast. They put up with all sorts of silly questions and changes from me..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #67 July 22, 2003 QuoteIt was ment to say, that don't be the one guy on the DZ with something different. Back when Freeflying was in it's infancy the rage on the DZ was vector II. I was in the market for a new rig to Replace my Old Talon Classic ... Brick. So after some research I took a look at the Flexon. Didn't like it. In 92, I saw an add for the Newer Talon and it came with the F.A.S.T. harness. After taking a good look at it, I decided it was a better choice for My flying style. My Friend ( who also became my Team mate later) and I decided to purchase one. We bought a size T3-1. Sure enough we were not only chastized for our Flying style but now, our gear choice. The Rig was great. It had a few growing pains to go through. I met up with Rob From RI at the world freefall convention... must have been 93? and He looked at our rigs with the broken reserve cover flaps. Immeadiatly he said the rigger folded it back ward and Broke it. Well it was the fact it wasn't long enough and had Crummy plastic in it. Standing up for a whole skydive took it's toll on the flapping Cover. I was the rigger so I knew I didn't break it ANy way, that was pretty much the extent of the trouble. It was Obviously a good choice of rigs especially given the choices in 92. The point of all that. I was happy to be the first kid to own something different. The Infinity however, is not different. It's just a very sound rig. It's currently my first choice of rigs if I buy a new one.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #68 July 25, 2003 QuoteHe looked at our rigs with the broken reserve cover flaps. Immeadiatly he said the rigger folded it back ward and Broke it. Well it was the fact it wasn't long enough and had Crummy plastic in it. Standing up for a whole skydive took it's toll on the flapping Cover. I was the rigger so I knew I didn't break But do you see how being the first was not the best thing? I bet the newer rigs have better plastic and its long enough."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #69 July 25, 2003 QuoteBut do you see how being the first was not the best thing? I bet the newer rigs have better plastic and its long enough I see where you're attepting to go here but I also see how My desision was a MUCH better choice than the rig being pushed at the DZ. Secure Riser coverage. A main flap that stayed shut. Good bridle protection. My other choice had none of these. The Reserve cover flap design on my other choice, was not good for Freestyle or standing for long periods or flying on my back. When the flap is open it flaps around and can very easily damage the attachment point and the Yoke. The pin was easier to push out. Even Though the Reserve cover flap broke, it still had better coverage, was easier to repair. As a belly rig, it wouldn't have broken. There fore the flap change wouldn't have taken place so soon. The 2 choices of rigs in the original post are not new. And New does not nessecarily equal bad.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #70 July 25, 2003 Additionally, it'll be much easier to sell the "gear of choice on your DZ" when it comes time to get rid of it. This might not be an issue at Perris, but it certainly was an issue at that tiny little dz in upstate NY where I started jumping. There, people kept talking me out of buying what would have perfectly good gear, but was unknown to them. In Chicago at a medium sized DZ, everyone jumps Jav's, and all the new jumpers want to buy Jav's. Here, people know about alternatives, but want the "in" gear. While a knowledgable person like Lisa, or Ron, or (humbly) myself might know "X" brand is perfectly good, selling that gear later WILL be harder. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #71 July 25, 2003 Resale value should be taken in to account when buying new gear. Especially if it is your first rig. You more than likely won't keep it forever. I agree that the resale right now on the Infinity is not as good as let's say, an Odyssey. But the way they have been selling this year they should have a very good resale in the next year or two. We have been selling them all over the U.S. this year and overseas as well. With the Odyssey wait time so long people don't want to wait. They all want it now. Why pay 300-400 dollars more for a rig that is not gonna be ready for 5 or 6 months? just so you can be a part of the crowd? With the quality and wait time of the Infinty it is slowly becoming our most sought after rig. People talk about customer service, Kelly and the crew at Velocity are great. Never complain, and they give you options for free that others charge you big bucks for. I remeber in 96 I came to Perris to stay and I was the only one on the whole DZ with an Infinty. Now they are all over the place. People know a good product when they see one. I will not talk bad about any manufacture out there (at least in a public forum) most rigs on the market are great these days, but for overall quality and service Velocity is my choice. Always has been and unless things go real bad always will be. Thanks Kelly for carrying on a great Product!Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
