falxori 0 #1 July 19, 2003 do you know whether wings has a pre-assembled reserve deployment system ? my container's DOM is feb 02. i have 10-01 stamped on the reserve handle, which is prior to the dates specified in the capewell SB. but i dont know if sunrise get the system (RC handle and pin) as a whole or maybe they assemble it themselves. i'm waiting for answers from my rigger. does anybody know? O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #2 July 19, 2003 I would recommend having the pin tested. Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #3 July 19, 2003 Well, I just have happened to talk to Paige on the phone yesterday. Here's the short story: Yes, get it tested! Howerver, they have been doing a LOT of testing in house and haven't found any problems with their batches of pins that failed (yet). Sidenote: I had mine tested yesterday and it was fine.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #4 July 19, 2003 i was at the DZ when it just came out. thought of testing it then but since there is a chance of bending the pin while testing it, i decided to wait until we know more about the problem, and stayed grounded. i'll get it tested next time i'm there, hopefully i won't have to replace the whole thing... but, better safe than sorry... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #5 July 20, 2003 Quotemy container's DOM is feb 02. i have 10-01 stamped on the reserve handle, which is prior to the dates specified in the capewell SB. Wings buys large batches of reserve handles at a time from various vendors. A batch may last them quite a while. That would explain why your rig was made in Feb 02 and the handle is marked 10/01. It certainly wouldn't hurt to get it checked anyway, but technically you do not fall within the requirements of CW03-01 -OKTime flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 July 20, 2003 We had a Wings fail on the firt day of testing (it was the riggers own rig of all things), so don't assume that Wings or any rig are immune.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 July 20, 2003 I wasn't trying to imply that they were immune, just that they haven't seen a problem *yet*. Tell the owner to call Paige Monday morning to tell her about the failure, since as of Friday afternoon they hadn't heard of any yet. It'd help them out a lot!--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #8 July 20, 2003 QuoteWe had a Wings fail on the firt day of testing (it was the riggers own rig of all things), so don't assume that Wings or any rig are immune. Do you mean the pin BROKE or bent?Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pkasdorf 0 #9 July 20, 2003 Sorry but certainly I missed something and excuse me for the stupid question. I have a Wings from june 2002. Should I be afraid of any problem with the reserve pin? I live in Uruguay, South America and it is a bit far away from Sunrise Rigging... HISPA # 18 POPS # 8757 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 July 20, 2003 Please look up the threads in this forum about the Capewell reserve pins. It is an industry wide problem, not just the Wings. You'll also find the FSB on it and how to have your rigger test it.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sducoach 0 #11 July 20, 2003 Tom, Checked several rigs this weekend. Only one failure (bend) and it was on a replacement RC purchased November 02 however,they did not have a batch/date stamp on them, only the TSO. The rigger/DZO who installed it called the supplier as he had a couple others and was told they probably did not need to be tested. Very interesting, don't know if its the supplier or the rigger trying to CYA..... On the soft RC handle from Sunpath, the batch number was within the test requirement and the unit passed. I simply market it with a permanent marker by the batch tab. After testing several rigs, I'm not very confident in the testing method. I use a calibrated spring scale that is calibrated against weights and digital however, this did not "feel" the same as a pull test. Let me know how everyone else is doing with this and any suggestions. Blues, J.E. Blues, J.E.James 4:8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #12 July 21, 2003 The pin BENT. I think total count after a weekend at my DZ was 2 or 3 pins bent and the rest passed with flying colors. First typing said it broke... it was late and after a lot of jumping I'm yet to see a pin break in real life.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #13 July 21, 2003 when its bent, does it mean the pin was defected (and weak) , or does it mean the test wasn't done right ? or maybe neither ? O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #14 July 21, 2003 If the pin bends it was defective and needs replaced.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyGuy 0 #15 July 21, 2003 Maybe this is a stupid question, but the SB covers pins fron 01 to current. If you have a defective pin how are we to replace it? Have they found the problem and made a "new batch" of pins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadDog 0 #16 July 21, 2003 QuoteMaybe this is a stupid question, but the SB covers pins fron 01 to current. If you have a defective pin how are we to replace it? Have they found the problem and made a "new batch" of pins.They will probably replace it with one that passes the test. That's my guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #17 July 21, 2003 i don't know how many "bent" pins are there, but i wonder how long it would take to get a new set (if needed) these days.... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #18 July 21, 2003 Hey man, Hace que tu rigger le haga el testeo al pin. No se pierde nada con hacerlo. Un abrazo Cielos Azules Pablito "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rigging65 0 #19 July 21, 2003 Ya know, I've heard of quite a few pins bending, but on at least a handful of them, the test wasn't being doneto spec. If you don't get all the bits (loop, pull up cord, etc) in just the right place, you really risk putting too much lever arm into the test and bending the pin. Just be careful! "...and once you had tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward. For there you have been, and there you long to return..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pkasdorf 0 #20 July 22, 2003 Thank you Pablito, lo haré... HISPA # 18 POPS # 8757 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #21 July 22, 2003 Hey man, Que tal las cosas en Uruguay? que persepcion tienen de las boludeces que estan haciendo en Argentina? Solo queria tener una opinion de un vecino, porque es dificil de ver las cosas de adentro (mi flia) Un abrazo Cielos Azules Pablito "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pkasdorf 0 #22 July 22, 2003 I'll answer you by mail. Un abrazo HISPA # 18 POPS # 8757 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pablito 0 #23 July 22, 2003 Gracias!!! Un abrazo "If you don't overcome your fears they will overcome you first" Shady Monkey/6Segundos Rodriguez/AKA Pablito Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
