shaggydog 0 #1 July 22, 2003 Just begun to learn how to pack, completed the flat packing corse run at my DZ and need to practice for the test to get my packing cert. I own a new Sabre2 is it wise to practice Flat packing on a new ZP canopy or should I learn to PRO pack first? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 July 22, 2003 You can flat pack anything. I watched a jumper flat pack his Sabre2 last weekend.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwilling 0 #3 July 22, 2003 Your best bet is to learn to pack the canopy in the manner in which the mfg recommends for that particular canopy... That said, there's lots of variations to packing that work for people (including side pack, which is not done much because as canopy performance goes up, so do the potential problems from the inherent 90 degrees off heading opening that side packing produces), and if you watch 10 different people pack, you may see it done 10 different ways... But following the mfg's recommendations is always a safe bet! "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #4 July 22, 2003 Side packing works fine. By the way, 90 degrees off heading is not inherent with side packing. That's a myth. Nose to the front, tail to the back Same as in pro-packing. Roll packing on the other hand, you get what you get. I've flat packed my Stiletto LOTS of times for the hell of it. The openings were the same.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bwilling 0 #6 July 22, 2003 QuoteNose to the front, tail to the back Same as in pro-packing. But isn't the nose facing one direction or the other, as to opposed to more straight ahead with a pro-pack (assuming you're not rolling the nose with either pack job?) Heck, the name itself is derived from an acronym for 'Proper Ramair Orientation", is it not? I'm not implying that side packing doesn't work, I have 500 jumps on side packed canopies, back in the day when that's how everybody packed! But nobody jumped very high performance canopies back then. I don't recall ever seeing a cutaway from line twists... And if that's the case, then why the switch to pro-pack, because it is what the mfg's recommend these days. I've tried it, and I don't think it's any easier than side packing! Especially with a big old boat canopy like I jump! "If all you ever do is all you ever did, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #7 July 22, 2003 Thats good cuz I ordered a new sabre2 just today and I only know how to flat pack. Um..can I assume that flat and side are the same thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #8 July 22, 2003 Hey, what do you think the packing tabs are for on the Sabre2. I side, or "roll" pack my 97 about half the time with no noticeable difference in opening heading direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #9 July 22, 2003 Old PD manuals still recommended PRO-packing before the Sabre was even in production. Yet We/you/lots of others, still Flat Packed. Another thing to keep in Mind is Packing tabs are sewn to the topskin for a reason. Side packing is easier to comprehend with minimal instruction. PRO packing on the other hand can be very confusing at first. I watch people wrap the brake lines around to the front where the nose is all the time. It's a good thing that parachutes are not too terribly picky. You can pack a line over and it just won't take. The damn thing just opens as advertized.. most of the time. The Nose on a side pack can be placed directly forward, to either side or a number of other ways. But a nice Flat pack with A-B-C-D then Brakelinse stacked in order, will produce Very on heading openings. I Flat Pack tandems and student rigs due to the heaviness and size factor. Big ole boats get side packed as well. It's just too much stuff for my short 5'6" body to carry and place on the ground nicely. Simply put, Flat packing works just fine and I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference either way. Hope that helps.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luv2Fall 0 #10 July 22, 2003 Flat/Side Packing works for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blahr 0 #11 July 22, 2003 It helps me because it means I can take my time learning the PRO pack and dont have to learn it my first day since I can already flat pack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 37 #12 July 23, 2003 QuoteRoll packing on the other hand, you get what you get. Are you talking about Psycho packing? That's the only way I've been able to get my Sabre 2 170 in the bag, and I've been happy with the results so far. What do you see as the problems with it?She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #13 July 23, 2003 Nope, not Psycho Packing. IN essence a Roll pack is lay the canopy out flat. Stack the A lines on the b's then Roll it over again, then roll the tail over to the d's then onto the C's then then over the A,B stack,... it's a bit more than that but pretty much that's it. It used to be extremely common and Generally works just fine. (he admits reluctantly) Psycho pack is just a containment method of a PRO packMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usskydiver 0 #14 July 23, 2003 Bottom line--Mfr instructions take precedence over any opinion, recommendation, etc. That said, if the Mfr. says pro pack but installs packing tabs, then consider that permission to side (flat) pack. PD is pretty explicit in NOT recommending a roll pack (weird openings and possible damage, I assume). Read the manual!!! Do what you're comfortable with and seek the advice of someone you trust. My .02 Tim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 1 #15 July 23, 2003 >Quote(weird openings and possible damage, I assume) Damage is mostly what I've seen. Keep in Mind Strong Tandems are roll packed. Or at least they were, I don't know about nowadays. The DZ/s I jump at always used Vectors. Any way It looks weird and makes no sense any moreMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
