jmidgley 0 #1 July 25, 2003 ...the right way round, without riser twists? OK, the right way round should be easy enough... I'm thinking of transporting my rig in two bits (see all the airtravel threads). Has anyone got any snappy ideas for ensuring that everything is re-oriented correctly when I hook the main back up? Yes, I know I could take the main out of the d-bag and do a line check, but There's no room to pack where I'm staying I'd rather show up at the DZ ready to go I'm lazy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 29 #2 July 25, 2003 unless your are 100%bullteproof that you konw what you are doing i wouldn't advise you to re-attach a bagged main. the possibility that you end up flying backwards is to big. imo - go to the dz a bit earlier and get the job done under supervision of a rigger if you don't have the space to do it at home. saves trouble & increases safetyThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,517 #3 July 25, 2003 The right way to re-attach a bagged main is to take it out of the bag and re-pack it. really. I've jumped a backwards main, and wouldn't want to do it with today's higher-performance canopies. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TattooedMoFo 0 #4 July 25, 2003 PD were at the Swedish F/F festival doing demo canopies. They had with them bags which locked the risers in place once athe bagged main was taken out of the rig, so unless you have something like this I would also recommend you pack from scratch. Not only is it possible to reverse your caopy but you could also twist a single riser round without noticing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaMan 0 #5 July 25, 2003 Here's where you can get them: http://www.pineapplexp.com/canbags.html The price is $50.00, but if you plan on a lot of travel or have two main setups, it would be ideal...enjoy. Z-Flock 8 Discotec Rodriguez Too bad weapons grade stupidity doesn't lead to sterility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fudd 0 #6 July 25, 2003 Not worth the hassel or risk. Repack it at the dz, or pay a packer There are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #7 July 25, 2003 QuotePD were at the Swedish F/F festival doing demo canopies. They had with them bags which locked the risers in place once athe bagged main was taken out of the rig, so unless you have something like this I would also recommend you pack from scratch. Not only is it possible to reverse your caopy but you could also twist a single riser round without noticing it. Uh even that doesn't work all the time here. PD hooked my demo canopy up at a boogie using the same method and you can watch the video to see what happened after that :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #8 July 25, 2003 QuoteUh even that doesn't work all the time here. PD hooked my demo canopy up at a boogie using the same method and you can watch the video to see what happened after that hihihi... had to happen on a High hop and pop didnt it! lolRemster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #9 July 25, 2003 everytime i watch that i laugh (even though it's not really funny, but it actually is)....at least it wasn't a birdman jump Edit to Add: I have not had any problems flying with my rig, and i can't actually see how it would be any different with the main out of the container...note i haven't read any of the airline threads! --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gus 1 #10 July 25, 2003 Yikes. What was the canopy? Did you think about landing it? I hope someone bought you a beer after that. GusOutpatientsOnline.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #11 July 25, 2003 Actually, I have another question (dont kate it the wrong way Kevin). Did you think about taking it much lower then that before cutting away? Dont want to double guess your decission, as the decision you took was the one you took, but it probably would have made finding the bag and canopy easier..... When I had a high reserve opening (14K), the winds were not insignificant, and I lost the bag...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #12 July 25, 2003 QuoteActually, I have another question (dont kate it the wrong way Kevin). Did you think about taking it much lower then that before cutting away? Dont want to double guess your decission, as the decision you took was the one you took, but it probably would have made finding the bag and canopy easier..... When I had a high reserve opening (14K), the winds were not insignificant, and I lost the bag... Well to answer everyone's questions: A) it was a stilleto 120, the smallest canopy i had jumped up till then (i've done a 107 now..) while the thought did cross my mind to attempt a landing with it (i weigh 155 out the door) the landing area was muddy and I didn't want to muck up my gear :) B) Yes it was a hop n pop but i didn't cut it away at altitude, the winds were really kicking that day and if I had cut it at altitude it would have been a state over most likely. The video was edited to cut out a bunch of the "extra" footage. I judged it perfectly, the freebag landed on one side of the runway and the main on the other.. (i'm talking the width wise of the runway not the length wise). C) Lesson Learned: Always wear an altimiter! I wasn't wearing one because who needs to know what alititude it is when you do a hop 'n pop? I guesstimated i was around 3,000 when I cut it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alain 0 #13 July 25, 2003 i'm lazy too but not that much: 10 minutes should be enough for hooking it up and repacking after a quick line check that might save you a stupid cutaway... you will probabely find 10 minutes between your arrival on the DZ and boarding the first load ? (maybe you can try driving faster to get there, ehehe..) just my 0.02 euro that does not answer your question Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #14 July 25, 2003 Yes, I know I could take the main out of the d-bag and do a line check, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You answered your own question dude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmidgley 0 #15 July 25, 2003 Alright, alright. Sheesh. You lot are as bad as my mother. I suppose I'll *have* to do it the right way. Loved that video, incidentally, esp. where you wave bye-bye to the main... Regards John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheMonkey 0 #16 July 25, 2003 not to sound like a broken record, but why do you have to disconnect the main in the first place? --------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #17 July 25, 2003 There's always room to pack. There's outside. There's packing with out the lines taught. There's the hallway, the drive way, the lobby, etc. It's pretty hard not to have room. TerryI'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmidgley 0 #18 July 25, 2003 Because the rig's too big to have as carry-on luggage, but would squeeze into two carry-on-size holdalls if I split it. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #19 July 25, 2003 I've never heard of a rig being denied on an airplane because it was too big. They get denied for other reasons... but I've never heard of one being too big. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #20 July 25, 2003 It is not that hard. Label your risers and band them together and to the bag. No bid deal. If you doubt yourself later when you hook it up, then you can always repack, but you should have no trouble.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TattooedMoFo 0 #21 July 26, 2003 QuoteI've never heard of a rig being denied on an airplane because it was too big. They get denied for other reasons... but I've never heard of one being too big. _Am Low budget airplanes in the UK weigh your carry on luggage , max weight 7kg (16lbs), and some can be very particular about this as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 #22 July 26, 2003 Loved your video! It looked and sounded just like mine when my canopy was backwards. Oh what a feeling! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 #23 July 26, 2003 I was lazy - once and hooked my main up still in the bag. Despite being really careful, it was backwards. Lesson learned = time taken to re-pack is much shorter then any travel time to the emergency room! Stay Safe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #24 July 26, 2003 Did you have your risers labeled R/L?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 #25 July 26, 2003 Yes, they were marked. It was a year ago, so details are foggy. The rigger mentioned a twist, but the risers were not twisted. However, my major point was: not taking the time to repack the main was a major bad decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
