chemist 0 #1 July 20, 2016 what is a good first cam to get when you're looking to step up to something more pro than a gopro? I've been looking at the sony a5100 16-50mm. I'd like to be able to shoot between tandems and freefly formations I'd also like to be able to get shots of hop n pops with enough zoom that you can see the buildings and roads on the ground nicely. Is 50mm enough for that or does quality of detail on the ground more a factor of megapixel as opposed to zoom? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #2 July 20, 2016 The A5100 is a good choice. I hear it is getting hard to find now though (long back orders). Light weight, amazing autofocus, APS-C sensor size, 6 frames a second and a side card load.... it's tough not to like it. The lens selection isn't as strong as the canons, but esp for a first setup it is more than adequate. The kit lens really isn't bad at all. I knew a few people who use it for tandems (I like the 20mm prime myself). I use it now and then. Its a little slow at 3.5, but not bad. One thing to remember is that it's fly by wire, so you have to set the zoom each time it turns on or wakes up. It won't remember that you had it zoomed to a specific setting and goes back to 16mm. 50mm is a pretty good zoom on a crop camera, but it isn't a "reach out and touch someone" telephoto. The good news is you can buy other lenses if you decide you have other specialty needs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boardumb 0 #3 July 22, 2016 What are you shooting for video? I upgraded from a dual gopro setup to a gopro with an a5100. I'm not a fan of the kit lens, and I found that a 16mm pancake lens with the ultra wide adapter matched up to the gopro nicely (and seemed like a good setup for tandems.) I however decided I rather just shoot freefly so I have an a5100 with a 20mm pancake lens next to an ax53. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #4 July 22, 2016 Cx430 for my main and a hero4 silver for backup. I saw a 16mm with the wide adapter recently in dallas.... seems like it would be really really wide for tandems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boardumb 0 #5 July 22, 2016 Since the a5100 has a cropped sensor, 16mm with the uwa actually makes it an 18mm. For the gopro I've seen estimated focal lengths ranging from 14-17mm. I just didn't like the fact you couldn't add a lens filter for protection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 3 #6 July 23, 2016 Canon Rebel. The Work Horse of tandem video flyers for years. I put 250,000 shots on one and still sold it for $400. Bite switch ready and NEVER has to BUFFER. Not as heavy as you might think.Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #7 July 25, 2016 The 20mm prime has a hood that comes with it that offers great protection and doesn't cost you any image quality. Small and low profile. I know some people want a 100% fov match from video to stills...but I don't think its that critical. For me the 20mm gives a great full field of view shot of a tandem from about 3-4 feet out. If the ulta wide gets the picture you are looking for, then you are doing the right thing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boardumb 0 #8 July 25, 2016 I love the 20mm but I don't recall it coming with a hood. If I had the money I'd get the 10-18mm lens personally, but I'm not doing work jumps, just shooting freefly videos/stills for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boardumb 0 #10 July 25, 2016 Ahhh, It didn't even register to me as a hood, I do recall that, I think I chunked it somewhere when I put a uv filter on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chemist 0 #11 July 28, 2016 boardumbWhat are you shooting for video? I upgraded from a dual gopro setup to a gopro with an a5100. I'm not a fan of the kit lens, and I found that a 16mm pancake lens with the ultra wide adapter matched up to the gopro nicely (and seemed like a good setup for tandems.) I however decided I rather just shoot freefly so I have an a5100 with a 20mm pancake lens next to an ax53. Nice! I currently have 2 go pros for tandems and switching to GoPro + plus a5100 for tandem stills. And I want to shoot Freefly formations with ax53, the tonfly I got though doesn't hold both ax53 and a5100 at the same time unfortunately. I currently have a fuel so I could probably add the dual top mount which would probably hold a5100 and ax53 at the same time if need be. Do you find a ring sight is mandatory for flat top mounted stills/video? This is because there is quite a large difference in the angle of my GoPro I have between belly/tandem and Freefly so I have no idea how I will be getting a center shot with a top mount camera that does not tilt up or down to adjust angle!!! Gonna have to start using my neck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boardumb 0 #12 July 28, 2016 Here is my setup with the a5100 and ax53. It's worth deciding though before investing in the dual top mount how much difference in weight there is between a cookie fuel with the top mount and a flat top helmet. The helmet itself is actually pretty heavy, and now with the a5100 and ax53 it's definitely noticeable. Also, if you noticed in the picture how much of an overhang there is on the a5100. I'm using some instamorph to create a bridge and am still trying to figure out the best way to mount it (industrial low profile velcro, bolt?) I haven't added a ring sight yet due to the snag hazard and am still getting comfortable just flying the helmet, being conscious of snags, and being out of the way of everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chemist 0 #13 July 29, 2016 that's a nice setup thanks for sharing it! Just find someone who is into 3D printing and they could make a nice looking mold to place where the a5100 hangs out to eliminate the snag hazard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
photognat 0 #14 July 29, 2016 3M sticky tape, same stuff Gopro mounts use. You can buy rolls of it on Amazonia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites