msdeva 0 #1 February 26, 2002 I've been to dzs where the freefliers exit before RW groups and others where they exit after RW groups.What does your dz do and why? What do you think is better? Pros/cons of each?The best way to predict the future is to invent it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarcusV 0 #2 February 26, 2002 It depends.The best I found about this in the web is the power point-presentation on John Kallend's website: Go there or download it here: "Power point presentation on separation" Blues Marcus--Perfect speed, my son, is being there. - Jonathan Livingston Seagull Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #3 February 26, 2002 Check out Skydive AZ's site for their explaination. I like their method 95% of the time. No wind at altitude days are the only time I disagree with it.Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarcusV 0 #4 February 26, 2002 Yes, typically great explained by Bryan Burke! And this is the link to his article.And when you're there, don't miss Tim Wagner's graphics.Safe landingsMarcus--Perfect speed, my son, is being there. - Jonathan Livingston Seagull Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #5 February 27, 2002 board flyersbelly largest to smallestfree flyers largest to smalleststudentstandemsSkydive Oregon for the same reasons as Skydive Arizona. Best if you read Bryan's explination, it's pretty straight forward.It only takes a little pixie dust...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msdeva 0 #6 February 27, 2002 Those graphics are great! Thanks The best way to predict the future is to invent it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #7 February 27, 2002 and dont forget our little winged friends go LAST.....marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #8 February 27, 2002 Actually when I was at Skydive Dallas the last time, the wingsuit guys got out first. I'm not sure if that was the norm or if it was cause the one guy was also jumping a tube with his wing suit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #9 February 27, 2002 QuoteActually when I was at Skydive Dallas the last time, the wingsuit guys got out first. I'm not sure if that was the norm or if it was cause the one guy was also jumping a tube with his wing suit.do you know how it went?? i was thinking about trying that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #10 February 27, 2002 it went great....the tube did cause A LOT of drag though put him more head down than not. He did tons of planning on the ground on how to cut away and what to cutaway before he deployed his main. It ended up working out quite nicely, Perry had no problem staying with him so the video turned out nice.Kelli Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #11 February 27, 2002 Quoteit went great....that's cool. do you know if was a skyflyer or a classic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #12 February 27, 2002 Sorry I don't have a clue, but I can ask him this weekend when I'm up in Dallas...I can't remember his name, but it's the swooper who jumps the pink rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #13 February 27, 2002 Everywhere I have jumped the wingsuit boys have exited last.....that is most of FL dz's...I just started jumping up here in chicago..so am not sure how they do it up here...but I dont see why they would want to let the wing suit guys out first....marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #14 February 27, 2002 I think it has something to do with how slow they fall and the fact that they should be tracking, in this case down the line of flight or perpendicular to it. With the wing suit fliers I'm not worried about them as long as they don't fly up the line of flight, or down the line of flight if they are out last.I have seen it where they get out last, especially when they want to see how far they can track and if they can make it back to the DZ. It also maybe cause these are kind of smaller 1 otter DZs and it is easier to work out things with the pilot depending on what you are doing. Although I'm almost possitive that wingsuits got out first at CouchFreaks, and that was out of skydive AZ planes.Trust me though I'm not going to second guess anyone on where the wingsuits boys get out. As long as they know where they shouldn't fly, they shouldn't be an issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #15 February 27, 2002 I understand the reasons as to why they can go out last...but I would think there are issues with them going out first...but then again....as long as they know where to fly I am not too worried......marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #16 February 27, 2002 I know whenever we do tracking dives we're out last (well, before the students/tandems last). We go out perpendicular to jump run & turn around at about 8000-9000. Last jump Trent set his ProDytter to go off at 8000 and we turned around & headed back. Worked just dandy."Zero Tolerance: the politically correct term for zero thought, zero common sense." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #17 February 27, 2002 Out at the old Skydive USA, San Marcos, and Elsinore we did it the opposite way, everyone gets out and tracks perpendicular to jump run then at about 7 turn 90 up the line of flight. Never had any trouble getting back on any of those jumps and the other jumpers were not an issues. Well that's not true at Elsinore this guy who was out behind us desided to try and follow us, but not having been part of the dirt dive or breifing didn't know how break off or anything else went and snivled past me when I was under canopy, but that is a different story. Needless to say he got a HUGE butt chewing from one of the psyco cirkus guys.I think it depends on the LO with things like that. Cause you do have to take into account who else is on the plane. btw....wingsuit jumpers I still think are a different issues from your normal tracking dive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #18 February 27, 2002 QuoteI understand the reasons as to why they can go out last...but I would think there are issues with them going out first...but then again....as long as they know where to fly I am not too worried......i think the tube/birdsuit case was a matter of convenience. It's a pain walking to the door with a tube tied to your feet, and it's a little easier to hook it up in the back of the plane.I haven't been to a dz where wingsuit flyers get out first. i really don't think it would be a problem if they did. at most turbine dz's the wingsuit flyers fly a pre-determined flight path that starts out perpendicular to the line of flight. i prefer to get out last so that i can do whatever w/ out having to worry so much about a flight path and usually hovering around 8-9000' while the enitire load is under canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #19 February 27, 2002 Quoteboard flyersbelly largest to smallestfree flyers largest to smalleststudentstandemsSame at Perris. Only downside to it is if you're a solo freeflier following several slow to climb out RW groups... can you say hosed on the spot? pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #20 February 27, 2002 Hey Bytch where do the wingsuit guys get out.....??marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #21 February 27, 2002 Wingsuits get out last...pull and flare,lisa--What would Scooby Doo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msdeva 0 #22 February 27, 2002 Swooper with a pink rig - probably Tim.Normally at SDD - wingsuits exit last. I'm sure the exception here was the tube... Skycat: You're gonna be up here this weekend? I should be out to (as long as the winds cooperate). See you there!The best way to predict the future is to invent it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #23 February 27, 2002 Thanks for the info.....I just love the fact I can call ya Bytch and not get slapped....marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #24 February 27, 2002 yeah...that's his name...all I could think of was Todd, and I knew that wasn't it. Yep Derek and I should get there at about 10pm on Friday night. Maybe earlier if I have all my shit together and the car loaded by the time Derek gets to my place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msdeva 0 #25 February 27, 2002 skycat: where are you staying? Is there gonna be a bit of a party Fri night? I may try and make it out...The best way to predict the future is to invent it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
