skyedivr 0 #1 April 2, 2002 what opinions do people have about the different containers out there? Mirage?Vector3?Javelin?have you had good/bad experiences with them? riser flaps coming undone? reserve flap flappin'?I fly a Talon2 at the moment. no problems to date.I am thinking of purchasing new. just interested to see what people thought.thanks in advance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 April 2, 2002 If I had the choice of ANY rig it would be a G3. But I'm getting a Tearrop Superfly, because I got a good deal on it and it's a really good container. When you participate in sporting events, its not whether you win or loose, its how drunk you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skreamer 1 #3 April 2, 2002 I don't think you are going to get too many objective replies to this one - I don't think there are many people out there who have made lots of jumps on custom rigs made by every manufacturer. Define 'best' - what canopies are you going to be putting in this container? By best do you mean safest or most attractive? If by best you mean value for money, I'd recommend my Wings because I like it. But then again I've never jumped anything else (apart from a Vector 1) so how would I know what's best?You're probably going to get a lot of opinions, but I don't know how anybody is going to qualify what is the 'best' freefly container...Will"Don't die until you're dead" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 1 #4 April 2, 2002 I've jumped a Vector 3 for about the last 300 jumps and have never had anything come open when freeflying, but I think Mirage, Vector, Javelin, etc. are all safe for freeflying, I thik it is more of a comfort thing. Try on the different rigs and see which one fits you best. People's bodies are made differently, and I've had people try on my Vector and say it is very uncomfortable, but this is not the case for my body type. Just ask the people around the DZ if you can spend 10 minutes sitting on the floor in their rig (simulating a ride to altitude) and you should have an idea about the comfort of the rig.Mark Klingelhoefer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NathanL100 0 #5 April 2, 2002 Hoodoo, what about a Voodoo?? If you like your Talon 2 then you'll like the Voodoo b/c its basically a Talon 2 with a few mods to make it more freefly friendly. Just keep your mind open and suck in the experience. And if it hurts, you know what? It's probably worth it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #6 April 2, 2002 dude...get a RACER. I've owned 4 so far. have 3 right now. almost all my jumps are on racers. they are most comfortable and now with tuck tabs they are super secure. they are super secure with good velcro, but for some reason alot of people are scared of velcro. i've also jumped vector2, vector micron, G3, and reflex. if i ever get something besides a racer it would be a micron. the micron is a good rig. in fact i'd say it's second best next to the RACER. get a RACER!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #7 April 2, 2002 oh ya. i've also jumped a javelin a couple of times. they are okay. i say...Get a RACER!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #8 April 2, 2002 I've jumped Mirage and Javelin... my personal preference is the Mirage. All the flaps stay where you put them until the container is opened. The Javelin I had stayed closed too, but I have seen some where the riser covers came open during freefall, don't think I've ever seen a G3 do that. I can't speak to the Vector, I ave not had any experiance with them. Skip anything held closed (or not) with velcro!Joshhttp://www.aerialfusion.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #9 April 2, 2002 Quotedon't think I've ever seen a G3 do thati haveQuoteSkip anything held closed (or not) with velcro!why??? almost all my jumps are on racers. no problems. the previous dz where i use to jump...everybody jumps racers. actully that's just because that's what steve sold before he went to spaceland. racers are a great containers. too bad people give them a bad rap because they are different than most other containers. i've heard people say..."stay away from velcro"..."stay away from pop tops"..."stay away from 2-pin reserves" but why??? is there actaully any good factual reason to stay away from racers? i bet that most of the people that make these claims have never jumped a racer and some of those have probably never seen one in the air. therefore most people that say this probably don't have any factual information to back up their claims. it's nothing more than bad racer rumors. when you see something new or different it's easier to say that's no good than it is to learn something about it.IMO, Racers with GOOD velcro are MORE secure than most or all tuck tab rigs. on racers (with velcro) there is more surface area used to hold the rig together than tuck tabs on a tuck tab rig. if the velcro is in good condition it will not peal apart (unlike some tuck tabs on other rigs).***all of my comments are in regards to the NOS racer. the elite 2000 has open riser covers and is meant for belly flying. the elite 2000 should not be used for freeflying (even though i do and have no problems except the occasional riser out which i have also seen on other tuck tab rigs). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #10 April 2, 2002 Quote open riser covers Eh? When you participate in sporting events, its not whether you win or loose, its how drunk you get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Levin 0 #11 April 2, 2002 the elite 2000 is secured only by velcro on the shoulders. there is nothing securing the risers on the sides other than the velcro on the shoulders. this is fine for RW since the rig is in dead air. when freeflying the airstream opens the riser covers exposing the risers and toggles. i use a elite 2000 for jumping my tube. not by choice but it's just what i have. from my experience the 2000 elite does fine up to about 160mph. right around this speed the single piece of velcro on the shoulders peals off (happens simply because there is not enough velcro to secure the risers). when this happens i often wind up with a riser around my arm. so i just catch it around my elbow and be sure not to let it slip underneath my arm during deployment. the NOS racer has much more velcro on the shoulders and velcro all the way down the sides. it is a very secure rig and is certainly "freefly friendly" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ramon 0 #12 April 2, 2002 Hey that would be a good name for a teamthe freefly death traps.I've seen lots of Javelin main flaps open in freefall. Lately I've heard of some riser flaps too.Seen a voodoo with riser flaps opne in free fall more than once.Never seen Levin's shit open though unless he was having a cutaway.Get a Mirage or a vector 3ramon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #13 April 2, 2002 Quoteit is a very secure rig and is certainly "freefly friendly"That's actually what I call "Freefly cordial" like the Vector II I'm jumping right now...not quite friendly, but not an absolute death trap either.My opinion? Wings, love 'em, once I have the money I'm getting one (maybe one of those cool patch design ones even)."Homer Simpson, smiling politely." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #14 April 2, 2002 I never said anything about Racers specifically, although they do come to mind when one talks about velcro, put tuck tabs on one and I might consider jumping one again, and I never said a G3 flap may not come out, just that I had never seen one... New velcro works fine, but even moderately worn velcro has a good chance of not sticking while verticle if it is not diligently seated, and the velcro on riser covers are subjected to a lot of force when they open... Yes, worn tuck tabs will come out, worn velcro will not stick... velcro wears out faster than tuck tabs (in my experiance) and constantly replacing it is not what I want to spend time and money on...If you go to one of the full time professional coaches, one of the first things they will talk to you about is freefly friendly gear... most if not all are very warey of any velcro flap closures.I'm glad you have not had any issue with your Racer, but talk to someone who has had a flap open and lines come out and get tangled on something... we both know one, and he won't jump a velcro flaps anymore....Bottom line is, if you are going to jump out of an airplane, you need to be as sure as you can be that everything is going to stay closed until you open it... I personnaly have more confidence in my Mirage(s) (and even my Javelin for that matter) than I do in anything with velcro.Joshhttp://www.aerialfusion.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
harro 0 #15 April 3, 2002 I have a voodoo and loveit. have not had any issues with it as yet.Another rig worth looking at is the TALON 3 by parachutes australia ( www.parachutesaustralia.com.au )Freemind, freesky, freebeer, freefly, freesex Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airann 1 #16 April 3, 2002 The best freefly container is mine... could maybe be for sale in a short while....I am going to think about it for a couple of days...Ann ~ www.AirAnn.comLevin in RW suit.. I have pictures!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyGoat 0 #17 April 3, 2002 Uh, didnt we just debate this a few weeks ago??? I think he should look over the old posts.Oh, by the way..Mirage.Goat aka Dereck aka SuperFreakAD A#292 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyedivr 0 #18 April 3, 2002 ok thanks everyone for answering with your opinions! and if I duplicated a thread I apologize.I still have time to think about which one I wanna git.....til then I will be flyin the Talon2 which has no probz..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
